Believe? Me? Hmmmm....

Ultimately, it goes back to something Lao Tsu said in the Tao Teh Ching:

"Those who know do not speak/ Those who speak do not know.";)

Would be like believing in trees or flowers or the lady that brings the mail everyday.

So... um... most of the Biblical tales were allegorical or legends to uplift or frighten as are most religious tales. It seems that the Abrahamic traditions are the only ones who missed this point.

Oh... The Goddess is the rock that She creates.

For you guys, think hypothetically for a mo, wouldn't it be necessary for Divinity to show a personality for a human conscious to connect? This personality would be pretty universal to those who seek the Divine (considering I am polytheist it would be a multiplicity of personalities, but I'd understand them at the same basic level that another person who recognizes them would.) Hypothetically speaking...

For all we know every diety, every god and goddess through time is the same being. This being was/is simply so indescribable, incomprehensable, and personal that people just experience it as a different being or beings. Mythos are created to explain this being who came to them in a very personal way and then a name is given. Like I said, I just came to this thread to say that I believed in God and I'm not here to debate, just throwing my opinion out there.

maybe god is that black dude in a towel holding up the earth like in that headache commercial.

Not just every deity, but every being that has existed and will exist throughout time is the same being. If God truly is omnipotent, then God is all that is real and all that exists. There is no need for duality in this case which is why I'm not a supporter of any major religions.

God...........hmmmmmmmmm......... a very interesting subject........ I belive there is a god. I dont belive a lot of the stuff i was brought up to belive (raised catholic). One of the things i dont belive in is hell. If God is an all forgiving being than there would be no need for hell. I mean thinck of it if you were a murderer who killed hundreds of people and you saw the face of God would you not be sorry for your sins? would you not want to repent? Now i also dont belive that any one religion is right. Who is to say that catholicism is more accurate than what muslums, jews, or any other religion belives? Nobody. Not a single soul. And as for the people who say that there is no solid proof a god exists, there is no solid proof for a lot of things. There is no solid proof that there was a big bang. through out history a lot of stories of religon and how the world came to be have a lot of holes in them. I belive God in my own little way. Different, maybe, but i works for me.

If you would like, I can recommend a ton of good books. I was also raised Catholic, but I'm not supportive of the dogma. I've read and learned a lot on the subject elsewhere, and I would be very happy to share some suggestions.

i would appreciate it, and i would take up your offer.

Great! I'll give you a few good suggestions off the top of my head. None of these are catholic based, but they give you some good fodder to build your own belief systems. Look them up on amazon when you get a chance!

-The Nature of Personal Reality by: Jane Roberts
-The Holographic Universe by: Michael Talbot
-The Jesus Code by: John Randolph Price
-How to Know God and The Way of the Wizard by: Deepak Chopra
-The Self Aware Universe by: Maggie Goswami
-The Conversations with God Series by: Neale Donald Walsch
-The 13th Planet by: Zechariah Sitchin
-All of Lynda Madden Dahl's books
-Creative Visualization by Shakti Gawain


These were some of my favorites. I'll list some more later after I look through my bookcases.

thanks, i'll read a few

Cool. These really present a lot of invaluable information! I wish everyone would take the time to read at least a few of these; they really change your outlook on life, for the better. Write them down and check into them. You won't be sorry.

I do not believe in any sort of god or other supernatural entities. Before anyone is tempted to ask a series of "Then how do you explain..." questions, I'd like to point out that the burden of proof is on the person making the truth claim (i.e., the theist). The more extraordinary the claim, the more impressive the evidence must be.

Like most atheists, my views are rooted in two observations. First, faith (i.e., belief in something for which there is no evidence and for which contradictory evidence exists) is inherently irrational. Second, religious belief has been and continues to be a force with largely negative effects on humanity.

As far as recommending books, I'll suggest: The End of Faith, The God Delusion, The Jesus Puzzle, and The Demon-Haunted World. For more atheistic book recommendations, see http://atheistrevolution.blogspot.com/

Why would I want to change my outlook on life?

You cretin!

I havent believed in god in a long long time. i believ in the possibility of god, but that is where it ends. i also believe in the possibility of faries, bigfoot, alternate realities, UFOs, ghosts, living anachronisms (dinosaurs, pliestocene animals, etc), but the big problem for me is objective proof. That is the hard part, you cant prove something like that, so there will always be doubt for me.


Logically, in my view based on the evidence i have seen in my life, man created God, not vice versa.

I used to argue with people about this kind of thing a lot, but i stoppped hanging out with the people who influenced me in that direction and have lived with the live and let live philosophy ever since. Different paths, different destinations.

I know a lot of people who think it is sad not to believe in a creator and an afterlife, they say it makes life meaningless. I dont think there is a meaning to anything that isnt assigned by us, which means life has as much meaning as you give it. Mine happens to have lots of meaning.

I like to think so.

My view about GOd??

Well I allways think that must be something "above" us who has strange control in this world. A unknown force. You could call it God, Buda, Alah, Kalih, Gaia or whatever, but it's something uncomprensible for us and anyway we had to kept goin' with our lives. So in my life I took my own decisions, I can respect people and their believes but I dont pay attention on this things cause it hasnt any influence on my life.

I don't believe in any particular "form" of god.
I believe that there is SOMETHING, some force or phenomena that made us evolve so differently from the other creatures around us, but that's as far as I'll go...I don't like to rely upon the writings and perceptions of man.
Way I see it, I'm gonna try and do more good than bad in life...generally be a decent kinda guy, and not be out to fuck my fellow man, or the planet over.
I don't have a religion anymore, just a value system.
If that's not good enough for whatever "god" there is out there, I'll gladly say that I want nothing to do with him/her/them/it.

My Views on God

I believe there is a god just because i want to think theres more to death than rotting in the ground.That would suck

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.

nicely said.

Well, that is the bottom line. If you think deeply enough into this, it's proof enough that something exists beyond this life.

The point that I was making is that it has been proven in physics that pure energy can never be destroyed. Of course, the body is dead, but what animates the body? Do you see what I am getting at?

Do you understand what I was saying? When you say "it's gone", what exactly do you mean?

OK. Nevermind.

You're being such an asshole, and behaving like a fucking fuck up.

I wish that you would go away

Why are you so mean?You blasted me for giving ocmdave some shit.Whats with the double standard?

Maybe because he single handedly fucked up a perfectly good thread?

Not to speak for Haunted or anything...but thats what I'd be pissed at him for.


EDIT - Way to edit your post after I already quoted you:p

I'm really not. I'm just fed up with Dave fucking up the threads. A lot of people are really mad at Dave for that. Everybody has expressed this. You know this, or should, you don't hijack threads and you sure as hell don't keep doing it.

Pink, I was fucking with you, dude.

lol-sorry about that.Just wanted to make my point a little more clear.

I know enough sources say that's been "proven", but I've often wondered...is there an infinite amount of "energy" out there? Where is it located, from how far can it be drawn? What with so many people being born every day I would assume at least some is created, so to speak...Unless of course we're all recycling said energy from all the dead folk...in which case, does it degrade over time? Are WE recycled? Is this then how the whole supposed former life deal happens?
Is life showing the same spark it did 1000 years ago, or are we just like the batteries left on top of the speaker?
Anyways, just a ponderance.
Every time I think about us dying and the energies from which our various systems are comprised dissapating, I think of those little green things in "James and the Giant Peach" wriggling into the ground.

I'm not familiar with your James and the Giant Peach allusion, however the rest of your post is interesting...

In all reality, there simply must be an infinite amount of energy, part of which is being continually recycled to form life on this planet. Where this said energy comes from is a tough subject because the human mind simply does not have the ability to grasp the true concept of infinity... What lies outside of direct experience is very hard for our brains to perceive. It's no wonder that these questions have been plaguing humanity since the beginning of time. We are making progress, sure, but I believe that we have barely even scratched the surface. Did you know that our galaxy contains an estimated one trillionth of the matter present in the universe? Once again it is something that is very difficult to grasp. Anyway, another interesting tidbit for you, and this is not bullshit: Did you know that one cubic centimeter of open space contains more energy than that of a nearly a trillion atomic bombs?

Its a bad idea to argue with cheeba..............

so if it came down to it, you'd rather one of us tries to get a mass ignore going instead of you ceasing to be a retard and fucking up threads?

I would, but I can't read chinese.

Yeah...I think that was #41 on the menu?

stop ruining the forum k thanks

Anyway, back on topic..........

Eventually...

Don't talk to my ladyfriend like that man! ok?

This is the first time I've heard that some people have a problem with omcdave. I'm a bit surprised. I'm not sure how he can be accused of ruining anything. You certainly can't blame him for the rapid deterioration of most threads into nonsense within a few posts. This extends far beyond the threads to which he contributes. Anyway, omcdave is no bigloader/renob/etc. Ignore him if you want, but I'd be surprised if most others decide to.