My point exactly. If this continues, horror might soon find itself as a sub-category of the Action or the Sci-Fi genre. There wont be anything left which can be categorised as pure horror anymore.

I hope someone from New Line or Village Roadshow is realising it as we speak, and is going to do something about it...

Nah, real horror films are still being made. Silent Hill, Hills Have Eyes, When a Stranger Calls, Boogeyman, The Skelleton Key...sure, they might not be the greatest movies, but I think they're safe proof that horror is and will always be it's own genre.

Horror has been known to borrow into other genres, as well. Look at Evil Dead 2, a great blend of comedy and horror. Same goes for countless other films that have their roots in horror but have other themes involved. Even though genres can and often do cross and blend with each other, the original genres will always exist.

Yeah, horror will always be around.....how else can you explain Tori Spelling movies?

Lets hope it does...cuz its the best of all the movie genres...

Silent Hill
 

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Somebody explain this movie to me. The ghouls/demons were totally awesome, very freaky. But I had no idea what was going on. I mean I get the fact that the little girl got fried and she turned evil, but that was about it. What happened in the end? Where they in some kind of altered reality where the Mom could stay with the kid? And if so, how the hell did they get there? They just drive to west virginny and bam they cross the reality boarder? I don't know.

Its common courtesy to slap a spoiler warning on this thread. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that they were dead the whole movie. Their car crashed, so they died. And the female police officer crashed into the guard rail, so she was dead too.

Sorry, I don't know what a spoiler is or I would have posted one. You want to tell me so I don't fuck it up next time?

If it's like the games, then they wouldn't be dead just in some alternate reality/dimension. This is what I think, and that they never got out of it and must exist just beyond our reality/dimension.

I watched it 3 times so far and I still think that they are traped in an alternate reality. See the evil girl or demon that gave Ellisa her powers said in the the flash back that the Sharron was the good part of Ellisa. The demon also said that she was the daughter of Ellisa. So this could be taken 2 ways. Sharron is literaly the daughter of Ellisa or Sharron is literaly the good half of Ellisa meaning that the demon represents the evil half of Ellisa and when the 2 come together they become one. See right before the end you see the demon come to Sharron and Sharron opens her eyes brifly and then the demon is right in her face then Sharron faints. If you notice Sharron has some different qualities to her after this experience. She now has the sinister stare that the demon had when she looks down at Ellisa's mother. There are a lot of camera shots on Sharron after the event that show that something is different about Sharron.
Another reason I believe that they are in an alternate reality is that Chris can still get their phone calls even though its stacky.
Lastly, when the demon first approached Ellisa at the hospital her offer was that the town would fall into her darkest nightmare, thus impying that Ellisa has control over reality as she chooses.

Nice call.


Is it just me, or did silent hill 2 or 3 involve a man goingto silent hill because he recieved a phone call from his wife 3 years after her death?

Ha ha coincidence... I'm listening to an unofficial SH soundtrack atm. :)

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Sounds like good explanation of very confusing movie, especially towards the end...I think Sharon is 50/50 good/evil Sharon/Alyssa reunited at the end...they(Rose and Sharon) are def. in another reality or in hell, when they are in the school the same time as the husband and Officer Gucci-they are in different worlds or realities..just as the husband is somewhere else at the end ...thought the movie had potential, did have some good horror moments, thought it just fell to pieces last 1/4 though...after watching it the 2nd time, I put it in the "not good" category...and I still needed some more explanation on the whole buring town thing...underground coal fires? hell? fire from the Hotel still going in that reality? and as they drive across the chasm at the edge of town, the road reappears. Their dimension is still shrouded in smoke, ash, and fog. Husband is napping at home on the sofa in the real world. Rose and Sharon — still within the fog — enter the house and it is made obvious that they are trapped in their separate, but parallel realities.

Hi, just thought i might stop by and state how much i despise this retarded movie.:)

Ha ha, I didn't like to to much either Mothman! But you have to admitt that the ghoulies/demons that were all deformed and jerking around were pretty awesome! That totally freaked me out.

After the discussion here, I think I have to go with my initial reaction that they are in some altered reality. I also think that in the end Sharon and Alyssa somehow fused. I think it was when towards the end and the barbed wire was flying all over the place the MOM said for Sharon to close her eyes and she sneaked a peak into the eyes of Alyssa. I agree after that shot , scenes of Sharon up close seemed to show that something else was in there. I still think it all boils down to a mother staying with a child, since they kept saying that kind of stuff throughout the movie.

I don't know if it was just the actress playing the mom or not, but some of her dialogue was just out of place in the scheme of things. I don't know if she didn't deliver it correctly or what.

You like to say that, but you never give any reason beyond that it's "retarded":rolleyes:

bad acting, stupid monsters that look like there are break dancing, stupid plot twists (the movie turned into "the crucible" for fucks sake. atmosphere was the only good thing about it.

well, i'd personally have to disagree with all that - but thats just my point of view .. i loved the flick

Coming from the guy who spends most of his time with foreign "trash" films, you dont have much ground to stand on here. Agreed that the main girl wasnt so great, but compared to most modern day horror the rtest of the cast was great. Esp. Sean Bean, who was completely wasted IMO.

Not much like The Crucible at all there dude...just cause there is witch burning type stuff doesnt mean shit. And how exactly are the plot twists "stupid"? What a lazy, undescriptive word.


All you did here man was take your post about it being "retarded" and add a few more adjectives that mean the same thing:rolleyes:

originally, there wasn't going to be any major male roles....it was only after the producers got nervous that they modified the script.

i still liked it .. it added to the melancholy feel of the ending ..

Ive heared that...still think he did a pretty passable job though.

whatever. i still stand by my opinion. i think it tried to be scary and failed miserably. i was extremely bored throughout the whole thing. everyone i had went with thought it was stupid too, there were parts in the movie that had the people in the theater laughing out loud. its not an agurment. i stand by my opinion and you stand by yours.

Haha, wow. Chill out. Seriously.

Thats more like it.

You only called it stupid once:p

The way I saw it :

The town has three "dimensions" :

- Earth, where it is just an abandonned town and where the husband goes

- Purgatory (or Limbo), where the souls of those who commited hideous acts (the cultists) are stuck. This is the dreamy version of the town where the mother and the cop first appear and where those who have not escaped the fire and died roam.

- Hell, which is the reality plagued by monsters and controlled by Alessa (if I remeber her name correctly). Hell sometimes reaches over Limbo (when the sirens go off), but the cultists prevent Alessa from really taking over.

Alessa has sent her good part away and called her back so she can use the mother to get to the cultists. After their deaths, she takes over and is no longer bound to the city.

Just my two cents...

I don't watch films that come from video games, but comparing it to The Crucible has piqued my interest.

Might catch it on HBO or something.

Typically i would say that is a gooid idea, especially where UWe Boll is concerned, but Silent Hill was pretty good. Even if it had NOTHING else, the atmosphere of the movie was brilliant. The falling ash, the general greyness, you cant see more than a few hundred feet... Absolutely Beautiful. I enjoyed the monsters (although the CGI was pretty aparent, it seemed to fit, oddly enough)

Pyramid Head was intimidating as hell. knowing nothing about the games, he was just this massive creature, plodding and relentless. very well done i thought.


I actually have as tory i have been owrkingon for some time now based on the imagery from the Silent Hill 4 game trailers... if nothing else, they have the look and feel down to an artform.

i never played or saw the game but i loved the movie (maybe that was more of a help than a hinderance)

it sure looked to me like someone took the trouble to make a movie that would stand up on its own - instead of a cheap extension of some game.

that would piss the fans of the game off i guess but it sure is a good thing for someone who loves an atmospheric, visually stunning horror flick.

Exactly. they did something right... Especially the "Tell all" scene, which are often cheesy flashbacks.. making it look like a grainy old film really set the tone for the whole scene.

I don't know if it was just the actress playing the mom or not, but some of her dialogue was just out of place in the scheme of things. I don't know if she didn't deliver it correctly or what.[/QUOTE]

Amen-it was her delivery...she did the same in Pitch Black...:(

Way off topic.can someone send me a PM and tell me how to get my own avatar into here, would be much appreciated..now back to the show.......

No.


Because I dont know how.

Watch it, but not for that reason.

Terrible comparison...I thought it was a great movie and I recomend it, but not like Crucible in the least. To go into why he might have said that would entail spoilers, so I'll leave it there.

i loved it!!!! especially the use of the metal gear solid them as the womans ring tone....and it used all the music from the games perfectly

Hope I'm doing this right. The forum has gotten intimidating and swanky in my absence. It was plenty swanky before, but this is really something. Swanky indeed. Excellent monsters. Great atmosphere. The little girl's acting was formidable. Radha Mitchell sort of rubs me the wrong way, however and yes, the ending could have used a bit of clarity. It's head and shoulders above any videogame based movie I've ever seen. There's no reason to avoid videogame based movies other than to avoid bad movies. If a movie's good, I don't care if it's based on a Chef Boyardee product.

Nice :) very well spoken.

I've never played the game on which it was based, but I thought Silent Hill was worth a rental. It delivered creepy atmosphere and interesting (but terribly overdone) CGI effects. It held my attention, but I was disappointed to find it not even mildly scary.

what about the creepy dude in the toilet tho? he wigged me out

Sure, it was not scary, but what it lacked in scares it more than made up with its creepy atmosphere. Very good, atmospheric movie.

hmmm i agree things have changed around here a bit since i was last on...anyway to my point..ladies and gentlemen...the explanation of silent hill (since apparently most never played the games)..yes, there are htree seperate worlds in SH (and beyond as the games attest)
world one is just here and now..normal..pleasent even.
world two is foggy silent hill where it snows (yes snow not ashes, damned creative liberties) in the summer and monsters roam about randomly...this is the SH that people see when they
A) are called there by Alessa
B) harbor guily in thier hearts (either knowingly or unknowingly)
C) they get involved with someone who is being called/has guilt.
Cybil is a tough case..some say she just got pulled along with Harry and Cheryl (Rose and Sharron), while others claim that the first game presents proof of her being involved with the drug ring in SH (which the movie completely ignored) and she is drwan in because of her guilt at behaving unbecomingly as a police officer..im inclind to say she just got hauled along.
World 3 is dark silent hill..this is the world that Alessa created as an outlet for her hate and pain because her MOTHER burned her alive to help bring forth the birth of a God (i am straying out of the movie and into the game here,as the movie makes her an outcast and she was revered and feared in the games) by making her hate. thats what that whole darkened the heart of an innocent line is about...

they did NOT die in the crash, they are very much alive, they are just trapped by Alessa in her world Sharron is the good part that was left of Alessa and while the movie offers some "closure" it is inncorrect in terms of sequals seeing as how in the game harry never found his daughter..he found anouther infant (i.e. another incarnation of Alessa) and in SH3 you find a painting titled 'St.Alessa mother of god,child of god" basicly saying she is both the one who births god and yet one of gods children and she may even be the god herself..hence three versions of herself, burned, innocent child,evil child...i assume thats what they were trying to get that across by using the three different versions of her in the movie.

when they leave and stay in the fog its simply because thats what Alessa wants...even Lisa Garland (the nurse) is there because Alessa wants her there.
however..it was a good movie and very limited on the GC with the exception of the barbed wire scene and the bugs..even the burning babies (hmm now why would alessa make monsters like that? ;D) were live actors with sfx makeup and a hint of CG... wonderful in these days of CG every single thing..glad to see that real SFX make-up artists still exist

the chief complaint i hear from gamers is that pyramid head is in the movie..he really dosen't belong seeing as how he is specific to one character in SH2. they screwed up the whole cult thing but hey, its confusing to people who have played the games..i had to play it a few times before i got it (and alot of plot analasys :P)...i can't help but hear monty python when they are shouting 'burn her! burn the witch!" ("build a bridge out of 'er!" hehehe) despite all the differences, it is a fine game adaptation, IMHO.

i hope that helps clear up a bit of confustion about it and i recomend silentpyramids plot analisys for those who want the psychological theories used by the game writers..its truely engrossing reading..i believe his work is still available on Ign.com.

Have a great day!