this is similar to what I've been saying all along .....but potheads always deny the facts....speak to an alcoholic and they no they've got a problem 100% .......alcohol addiction is different from drug addiction. Drug addiction causes denial...due to chemical inbalance in the brain....these chemicals arnt increased or present during alcohol abuse, so the symptoms are different.

i wouldn't say all alcoholics know they have a problem. they go through denial as well. i have a friend who downs probably a 12 pack of MGDs a day, and won't admit that he has a problem. first thing in AA meetings? "hi i'm soandso and i have an addiction." sure they can admit it then, but it always takes them a while to attend the AA meetings

i also have friends that are potheads, and know they have a problem. hell, i have one friend who's been a pothead for two years, and quit about a month ago cold turkey. as far as i know he hasn't lit up since... i mean i could be wrong, but he still knows that he has a problem. i have several friends like that actually.. friends that have been through rehab, etc etc

anyway, the subject of this thread is weed. i dunno if i'll agree that bud causes permanent chemical imbalances in the brain. while you're trippin it does, but as far as long term effects? i have my doubts. other drugs, such as coke, heroine, meth, etc etc.. those i will agree cause chemical imbalances, and fuck up your mind longterm. but as i said: this concerns weed

i still stick to my previous statement, alcohol and weed effect differently people differently, such as all drugs.

".....but potheads always deny the facts....speak to an alcoholic and they no they've got a problem 100% "

- Cmon shanks, don't geralise...

I speak the truth... you know I do :D

No.
I'd agree in some cases, definately for BOTH.
Not in mine.
That's not a denial, it's a factual statement.

Lmao @ irregardless

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"[Probably blend of irrespective, and regardless.]

Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so."

:p

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THANK YOU!!!!


Irregardless is in the dictionary to say that it is improper, much like Ain't.


"What pacifically are you talking about? Expecially Irregardless of it's inflamability. It doesnt take a nukular scientist to know you can read about foilage in a libary."


God i hate the speaking ability of the average human....

When it came to drugs, you saw pretty blatant racism in the press accounts and statements by elected officials. Back in the early 20th century, cocaine abuse became associated with blacks, who would supposedly go on rampages under the influence. Marijuana, in turn, was associated with Mexican immigrants as well as blacks. Opium was associated with Chinese immigrants. Racial fears were used by officials and pundits who called for prohibition against all these drugs. You know - "they'll ravage our white women", that sort of thing.

And them ravaging our women is a problem, because if they are ravaging them, we drunk white guys cant rape and beat them.

Funny how that works, eh?

I'm not sure where everybody's from, but here in Minnesota 'tripping' is something totally different than smoking weed and 'being high'. 'Tripping' usually involves mushrooms, acid or other hallucinogens and is a much more visceral experience. Getting high on weed is much different than that.

RE, if the weed you are smoking makes you trip, I'd ask your friend if it's some sort of hash or what it's laced with because that's not normal.

No, it's not. Look at the number of deaths attributed to each on the highways each year. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a no contest.

hmm... so is this turning into a grammar/word war then? :p i happen to like irregardless, and i'll use it if i want so nyah!

i call tripping and getting high the same thing, sorry for not being a druggie and using the proper lingo heh. no, it didn't make me trip, i didn't start hallucinating and seein shit. imagining stuff was happening? sure. most of the times i smoked i thought i had a heartattack that lasted the entire time. i was flippin out, got paranoid as shit. it's not cool.

and i knew someone was going to bring up the "well, then what you got probably wasn't good stuff" card. weed has different effects on people. accept that fact :P it wasn't laced with anything, and it wasn't hash. i smoked with three different potheads, each chronics for two years. i have a feeling they knew what they were doing.

i was saying which is healthier regarding biological function :rolleyes: not what impairs your judgment more when you're driving down the highway at 80 mph.

Your absolutely right. Thats how drugs became illegal because of white fear. It still happens today about getting attacked again.
Its easier to blame other races then to blame themselves.

They're called Republicans, people scared of change.

And yes, I'm white

You have anxiety or panic attacks. You just can't smoke weed because the chemical it realeases in your brain. Thats why I had to quit.

Yes and retards that believe the shit.

You see.. What the fuck is lukewarm? never can understand

i wouldn't say drugs became illegal because of white fear. there's a reason why drugs are illegal in most everywhere else in the world, places that aren't inhabited by a majority of white folk :rolleyes:

besides, even if drugs were legal, i'm sure they would be illegal sometime or another

and don't get me wrong here, i think drugs should be legalized. i don't think crime, murder, rape, etc etc would go up significantly. what people want to do to themselves is up to them, i couldn't really care. as long as you're not hurting me, or anyone else, i'm fine with it

and i'll agree that republicans don't like change.. i'm pretty liberal, don't like religion, don't like republicans :P

and i know i have panic attacks, it sucks ass. every time i've smoked it happens. another thing i have is acid reflux, which happens every once in a while, but smoking bud induces it. i can feel my stomach and those muscles down there spasming, but when high i think it's my heart spasming and not my stomach muscles.. which is bad... cuz my chest hurts for several days after the fact, and i know it's from acid eating the shit out of my esophagus. bad times

It's not hot it's not cold. It's in the middle.

whants not hot, I thnk a pussy is hot in het middle but it gets cold if it's dont get enough frition.

Who highlighted my irregardless lol.

The only people that use it are on Jerry Springer or who are just trying to sound smart, not realizing if they thought about it A) it's not a real word B) it means the same fucking thing.

Don't be thinking i use that word damnit.

Murder murder murder murder
ya never heard-a
redrum in reverse?
bodies in the hearse,
Now ur lifes gona cos' we wanted you to die
time to kis your ass goodbye, dont ask why...

I was saying which is healthier to the overall existence of the user and those around them.

the one thing i cant get my head around in deliberately inhaling smoke.

There is a filtration system in your body that is designed to prevent crap from getting into your lungs which are crucial and fairly delicate.

Smoke is the worst kind of garbage you could inhale so with smoking not only is it inhaled .. it's voluntarily forced there.

Eventually the small walls of the lungs get coated, rotted, and the surface area for oxygen to blood transfer is reduced leaving you in poor health.
Not everyone is effected the same way or at the same speed but its pretty simple science.

Alcohol is a form of poison (like chocolate :)
Some areas of expertise say that in moderation, it can be benifical. I don't know the facts to back that one up.

The real problem is twofold.

Smoke of any kind is pretty obviously a bad thing to do to your lungs.
Excess of smoke is as bad as excess of anything else . if you hava an addictive personality and cant afford it, then it can have a social impact as well.

Alcohol in moderation isnt a big deal but if its abused it has more immediate ramifications, socially and healthwise.

Bottom line is that both have negatives .. no denying that.
Both have positives.

For me the negatives outweigh the positives re. smoking
I'm not an alcoholic so i dont have any health or social problems taking a couple of drinks a month.

Should pot be legal ?
Absolutely - as long as cigarettes and alcohol are legal there is no logical reason why it shouldnt be.

urge, you and your "logic".


Get your ass and your sense making the hellout of here. I want to stay in ignorant limbo where my beliefs are the only ones, and everyone els eis the enemy.

'I'm Godzilla, and You're Tokeo, mutha-fuka !)


hehehehehehehehehe :)

Whats not to understand? Getting High makes you feel better. People depressed or bored. Don't really give a shit about they're health. A Body grows unhealthly just with age. And getting old is fucking depressing to me,

So why not get High and feel good in the moment?
But if you feel good as it is than just be grateful you don't have a shitty life.

i didnt say i wouldnt eat the brownies :)

seriously .. when you hit my age you start seeing the evidence of what the prolonged effects of smoke can have on the body. ..
when you see someone coughing up black lung tissue to begin each day ... then they start thinking about the health thing and wishing they had of given a shit 15 - 20 years earlier.

I had a shitty life by the way - until i was mid 20s or so .. but its good now.
I'm a poster child for 'things can get better'
and yes .. i'm grateful of it ... but it could easily have gone the other way .. part luck, part tenacity.

Yknow, I didn't expect this thread would hit so many ppl...I had no idea it would be under discussion for so long.

I thanks everyone to post their thoughts thus far. It's been interesting, and informative....
Please, continue as you will - I'm content to sit and watch for now.

I just turned 20 and I've smoked for 4 years striaght. This is my first year clean from smoking.

I cough up black shit every morning. But I think its better out than in. :D

But seriously, it sucks. Drugs have already tooken there toll on me. Hopefully I can recover. I'm still young.

absolutely .. at your age your lung tissue will heal...

Alcohol V weed
 

Cheeba, I agree with you and you're absolutely right on all your points on why weed is better. Also, think about this: I recently saw something on the History Channel about weed and they said it was made illegal not cause it was bad for you, because of immigration. Supposedly Mexicans were coming in and taking american jobs and I guess maybe making more than the average american at the time, so the goverment trumped up some phony myths and stereotypes about mexicans to get them and their weed out of the country. I guarantee you if weed were made legal in this country, it would outsell alcohol 10 times out of 10. Hell, my own grandmother said if she had to choose, she'd rather see someone smoke a joint than drink a beer. So light up!

It's funny how your perspective changes...since this time, I've found the initiative that just wasn't there to do something real with my life...was it that I smoked weed that kept me from doing this? I'll never know.
I mean, that would be the assumption, yeah, but...I still made the conscious decision to start my studies and do something I'd always thought about, also the conscious decision to cut right the hell down on the weed, and reach the stage where I've all but stopped now. However, I WAS able to make this decision while still smoking relatively regularly. But then again, I'd probably have made this decision so much quicker without it.

My "weed vs alcohol" opinions still stand in regards on my thoughts that regular alcohol useage seems more harmful...

HOWEVER, from my current viewpoint, in hindsight, thinking about where my life is now, compared to where it was then...I actually have people seeking me out for work now, have more expendable cash, I'm thinking much further ahead, working, learning...I'm busier and I guess therefore not finding myself at the same loose end I used to when I was smoking regularly...what came first, the smoking or the loose ends? Well, maybe if I hadn't smoked so much I'd remember.
So yeah, I think weed as a recreational thing here and there, AND alcohol for that matter is all good, well not ALL good, but health risks aside - moderation is still the key. I think it's when these things become or are habitual, it's time to examine the situation, maybe take a few weeks off and see if your head clears enough to formulate a completely unclouded and unbiased opinion. I know now, that this is what I did, and needed to do to make a real move into well, reality.
I'll still have a tequila night here and there, I'll get rowdy and blaze up...and yknow what? it's not only healthier, but much more fun when you're not doing it every other day.
One important thing...
Boredom is a pitiful excuse. I know this, becuase that's the same one I used to fall back on to try and justify what I was doing, to myself. Again, if you drink, smoke, or do anything that alters your mental state habitually or on a regular basis...step off for a few weeks, and clear your head.

PS - Whoever with their fake name decided to drag up this thread, it's pretty obvious. However, thankyou. It gave me a chance to ponder, and reflect.

- B

How about neither. I refuse to throw my life out the window. However, (when i'm at age), I might be a social drinker, but only occasionally.

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That's coming from the viewpoint of a smoker.

Just as your views are from a non-smoker...so?
Lets not get into "I'm right and you're wrong" mode, we've managed to keep the thread away from that so far.
I like ideas on both sides...both have validities. So, if you wanna discuss, discuss. No point being judgemental or anything...

Yes, I am a nonsmoker, so my view does come from that, I was just pointing it out that it ALWAYS seems like smokers think everyone's against them while nonsmokers think that smokers are all wrong. I don't really care either way as long as no one breathes smoke in my face.

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Well, i'm going to stick to my side that all illegal drugs are bad, but I understand what you're saying completely.


All except the kinds that doctors can give such as morphine.

I've never been into pot really. The smell makes me sick and i always went to sleep instead of having any fun. I would go for a drink any day,in about 5 months i'll have one again!! I don't say anything bad about people who choose to smoke pot, it's not for me to say shit. I used to love pain killers and alot of people disagree with that. I say have fun while you can, life is waaaayyy to short to judge!!:D