Maybe, but it didn't. And it didn't happen to me or anybody I know, so my emotional attachment isn't going to be as strong as someone who was there.

That is just sad dude..America was attacked and you don't care because it did not affect you....That is just disgusting.

Nope. Not even enough to make a sarcastic comment. I can simply offer a shrug of indifference and reiterate that I do think that it sucks that the people died.

You would feel different if it was someone you cared about...

I hope noboby lends a hand to you when you need it...As a Paramedic I can say you dont deserve one.

Yes I would, but it didn't.

And there's no need to get nasty about it. It's not like I made little novelty toys about it. And I fail to see what you being a paramedic has to do with anything

waaaaaaaay to long

the thread? You're probably right

i hate the fact that those bastards did what they did on 9/11, but what pisses me off to no end is the fact that during the end of clintons term, there were approx 150 F.B.I. agents trying to figure out if he had slept with monica, while at the same time the terrorists, mostly saudi i might remind you, were running free. I'm also pissed that during the bush I and reagan term they sold approx 107 tons of anti-tank and anti-aircraft weaponry to iraq. im also pissed that the afore mentioned parties, g.b. and r.r., during the war that afganistan and russia decided to wage, supported and funded osama bin laden. i am also pissed that during the vietnam conflict, g.w. bush decided to disappear for eight months, but wasn't considered awol. if it had been my ass i would still be in jail. oh, and by the way, did i mention that g.w. has been arrested three different times, once for dui, once for theft, and finally once for disorderly conduct at a football game. and his wife ran through a stop sign or red light, cant remember which, and killed a teenager. real responsible people. imo

*Appluds Tubalcain* Even though your facts may need some touching up. R.R. and G.B. sold weapons to Iran in what is known as the famous Iran Contra. They say that it was for defense against the former Soviets. However, I think it was done done for mucho cashola (which isn't really Spanish). This same tactic was used in Saudi Arabia and Aganastahn. As a matter of face, we sent troops in to train cocknockers like bin Laden in paramilitary combat.

And another thing...If Kerry wanted to come back to America and protest the atrocities he witnessed in Vietnam...that's his right under the first amendmant...get it? Need me to draw a diagram of the First Amendmant which Shrub wants to wipe his ass with?

Know your rights, people, and be conscious of other people's rights.

My old quote: The truth maybe out there, but there are lies in your head- Terry Pratchett

To Tubal and Haunted: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

A cop-out and simple way to avoid every point i made....you should run for president:o :o

And i didn't say anything about 9/11, not one word, that was Sam.

I do care that it happened, but in a famous movie quote

"I don't see how you cherish memory of the dead by killing another million....and frankly, General Sir, I think you're a fucking idiot"
- Sean Connery (The Rock)

the attacks on 9 11 Were no doubt a sad day in america, and in some way should have been dealt with. but did we go to war for the right reasons??? maybe it wouldnt be soo bad if the reason wasnt for wmd.

but has anyone read about the conspiracies on the attacks 9/11. ive been researching this topic(and need some more research) there are tons of websites dedicated to the analyzation of the attacks. going from the size of the damage done to the pentagon, and no plane debris around the site?? oh and footage of the pentagon as the "plane" hit and all you see is a smoke line then explosion, no plane(suposidly its a missle). also a picture of one of the planes that hit the towers had no windows...explain that no windows on a commercial plane??? these are just some of the many conspiracies ive found, granted many or all are debateable, and i need to do more research but there is something to think about

sorry soo long

Well...Guess what, Sweetheart...So is Kerry...Kerry also brags about the hundreds of thousands of drug users that he has personally helped to lock away (although failing to mention the cost of this coup)...and has vowed to launch an unprecedented war on drugs, imposing MUCH stiffer penalties (longer jail time, and more imprisonments, mostly) than any country has ever seen..Guess who he has decided should pay for this particular proposal...Well, let's just say that...It isn't HIM...


BTW...Has everyone forgotten that 911 would have never even happened if Clinton would have done SOMETHING...Just ONE thing...When the Saudis had Bin Laden and tried to hand him over to Clinton, on THREE different occassions?...I guess Bill just had way too much on his mind to be concerned with some petty little terrorist...I mean, he probably had to decide who he was going to do next, where and how he was going to do them, and how he was going to save his own ass when he got caught...Oh, wait a minute...I forgot that wasn't an important issue...A president's priorities, honesty, integrity, loyalty, morality and ability to make GOOD decisions, should never matter when it's only concerning his "personal life"...I'm quite certain that those traits would have never filtered over into his professional life at all...and that's why it was never any of our business what kind of person he really is:rolleyes:

So, to get past the irrelevance of a person's decency and overall character...I'll just change that to...

Maybe he was too busy making out his list of criminals to give illegal, paid for pardons to, during what was LITERALLY his last HOURS as president...He had to time it just right, so that there wouldn't be any time for anyone to find out what he was doing, question his actions, or try to stop him before it was too late...Sure, everyone knows about Mark Rich, but while he was certainly ONE of the worst, he definitely wasn't THE worst of the hundreds of criminals that Clinton let out...He was only the most famous, and paid the most for his pardon...

Or maybe he was just busy with Hillary, taking inventory of all of the items in the whitehouse that they decided they were going to take with them (Most people call this "theft", I believe) when they left...I have to give them credit for one thing...They certainly were thorough...Even I wouldn't have considered taking the LIGHT FIXTURES from the ceilings and the walls...It's just a shame that they had to return almost everything that they took, to avoid being prosecuted...Apparently they were the only ones that felt that everything in the whitehouse was "a gift to them" (YES...They DID say that)...Poor things:rolleyes:

And, Of course, during everything else there was the running of the "Whitehouse Hotel" business...I sure do wish I had $100,000 to stay the night in Lincoln's bedroom...*sigh*...Yes, he certainly was a busy man, with a lot on his mind...

OOPS...I'm sorry, Guys...I really don't get into politics...So, I'll just end this right here...I have WAY too much information and I KNOW how much the Kerry Supporters just HATE that kind of shit :rolleyes: :D

So true...More then a couple of thousand human beings lost their lives that day, (9/11) due mainly because they were Americans. For us as Americans to not retaliate would have been ludicrous. Maybe if the attacks had happened in your living room while the ball game was on, or while you were playing games on you PS2. or while in your room listening to music, or while you were at the skatepark, skateboarding with friends. Maybe even worse at home sitting in front of your computer monitor while surfing the internet or chatting to friends. Would it have then been a big deal?

So because someone, "doesn't care", or, "it didn't happen in my backyard" we should just sit on our hands and allow our freedoms to erode right out from under us. No one wants to go to War, but to sit idly by and let innocent people die, both in our Country and abroad is not what being an American is all about.

My pleasure. However, my friend, you may have inspired another rant. ;) I'm not speaking to anyone in particular...just bitching....something we Librals are good at. ;)

MAINLY what I hate is the "if you're not with Shrub you're either an idiot or unpatriotic," and my least favorite, "Vote for Shrub because of 9/11. Most familys' of the dead are disgusted that he would pull that shit.

I remember 9/11. It fucking sucked. I love America; my father's family's roots are here.

HOWEVER I'm not voting for Bush, so you can stop with the moronic propaganda and the pity party bullshit and get the fuck out of my face.

Damn ill be so glad when this election is over so the debates can rest for a couple years or so....atleast on this board....

You Bush supporters will never convince us to vote for him, and we Non-bush supporters (i dont think there IS a kerry supporter, its just pro-bush or anti-bush) will never convince you guys to stray from your chosen paths....

I say lets vote, be done with it, and accept the destined failures of the next political puppet...

Why do you think the Republican National Convention was held in NEW YORK:rolleyes: It's Bush's entire platform....sickening...

But hey im just "unpatriotic" so my opinion doesn't matter anyway...

Zell Miller...he's the man.

George W Can Blow Me!
 

The only possible way I would EVER vote for George Dubya Bush is if HELL froze over, melted, froze over again and then melted away forever!

George W. Bush puts himself up as this great American leader who's 'for the people' BULLSHIT!

This so-called great American President, has put our country into a BILLION PLUS deficit. He has destroyed the economy. He's turned our children into retards with his 'No Child Left Behind' program!

He's killed hundreds of Americans needlessly by sending them into a war that is being fought for the sole purpose of this so-called 'war on terrorism'. And one of those he sent to their deaths, was one of my best friends! So FUCK YOU, GEORGE! Well I got news for you, there will always be terrorist, cause there will always be people that hate Americans, because of the freedoms we have or because we're the quote 'Ungodly Nation'. A War on Terrorism is a war that CANNOT be WON, we might as well just NUKE each other!

The only reason we're actually in this war is because his father didn't have the BALLS to get the job done the first time! and because GB Sr. wanted his SON to have a chance at serving two terms! Not to mention, he had to rely on his Brother Jeb (WTF kinda name is that!?) to get him elected!! He couldn't do it on his own!

He's lied and lied to the American People, and he has a stronger connection to Al Qada than Saddam ever did!!! Oh and he has slutty drunk daughers, he's a nose candy addict, and i'm sick and tired of his ugly wife!


If Bush gets re-elected, i'm moving to Canada! Go Maple Leafs! Give me some Molson Golden! so I can drink myself into a stupior!

I wanted to add, that I'm not exactly a big fan of John Kerry either! I mean who the FUCK cares that you have 3 purple hearts! You got two of them by self-inflicted wounds, you pussy!

God, I hate the fact that a third party doesn't have enough power to get elected!

I never thought I'd see this country go into the crapper so quickly. I know for one, that I'm not about to get washed down with it!

I hope to God, if he gets re-elected that someone will KILL HIM!

I applaud you for mentioning the Iran Contra event, I was going to mention it, but I wasn't sure I had my facts completely right, but now that I've checked into it more, I see that I was right, just as you are! I mean FUCKING A! GWB has a stronger connection to Al Qaeda than Saddam ever did!!!

I was waiting for you to show up in this thread HC, and im glad you did...

I completely agree with the war on "terrorism" and it's futility...."pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"

i just have to say one more thing, though, then i'll try to shut up. first, thanks, haunted, for pointing out my errors, i was a little drunk, and got my countries mixed up, although there is proof that we were playing both countries off each other.second, and this goes for both parties, yes its a damn shame that 9/11 happened, but do you realize that each year hundreds of thousands of americans die because of tobacco and alcohol related incidents and illnesses, and yet nothing is done because politicians recieve money from these big businesses. third, if youve ever been to d.c., you know as well as i do that you cant walk 10 feet w/out stepping over a homeless person, and yet you never hear anyone say, hey lets see if we cant put these people to work, or at least try to figure out whats wrong with them. its a shame when you can spend at least four years, and thousands of dollars on an education, and still not find a job. while on the otherhand most of our textile and numerous other industries are allowed to leave the country. finally i would like to ask g.w. one question. if you are so worried about countries with wmd, and dictators that abuse their citizens, why didnt we invade north korea? we know that they have nukes, and we know that they violate civil rights. buuuuuuuuuuut, we also know that they have a standing one million man army, and we might not be able to roll over them. sorry, thanks for listening, and thank god we live in a country where we can speak our minds. i appreciate the soldiers, my father did two years in korea. blessed be.

I will vote when a candidate says-Lets legalize drugs!

I think if Shrub wins, I'm going to England and livong in zwoti's closet.[B]

i'm sure i could find a better space than my closet....it's full of books anyway.

A cop out. What the fuck are you talking about. How come eveytime I throw some facts out at you ,you are not around to respond. Probably trying to find info on the internet no doubt.
The one and only thing I agree with you is the war on drugs.
Arioch......... Ive got enough for you and all your lap dogs. I hope you'll be around this weekend. I feel like ripping some liberal asshole.

That goes for the rest of your minions too.:D

Oh, fuck it! I'M announcing my candiacy for president. I can do this, I'll just make campain promises that I know I can keep:

As your president, I promise to: A) Funnel your tax dollars into things that benifit my own personal interests. B) Take bribes from corrupt buisness and government officials and C) Have as many affairs with white house interns as I can get say yes.

Then when I come up for reelection in four years I can say "Hey, I kept my promises. You should see my swiss bank account." It could work.

lovely speech mr. bush, lovely speech :rolleyes:

*Shrug* I heard differently.

Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Haunted
[B]*Appluds Tubalcain* Even though your facts may need some touching up. R.R. and G.B. sold weapons to Iran in what is known as the famous Iran Contra. They say that it was for defense against the former Soviets. However, I think it was done done for mucho cashola (which isn't really Spanish). This same tactic was used in Saudi Arabia and Aganastahn. As a matter of face, we sent troops in to train cocknockers like bin Laden in paramilitary combat.

And another thing...If Kerry wanted to come back to America and protest the atrocities he witnessed in Vietnam...that's his right under the first amendmant...get it?


The same tactic was used in Saudi Arabia.............. really ? Please more details. As far as Afghanistan is concerned it was to help get the Russians out of Afghanistan. The famous Iran Contra scandal........was it for money or to pit Iran against Iraq?
Kerry is nothing but a serve serving piece of sh*t. Joined the navy because he knew he was going to be drafted anyway. I bet he hoped his ass would be on a ship at sea........safe. Spent 4 whole months in Vietnam. Pushed to get his purple hearts so he could get out of there as soon as possible.Comes home and gets an early release from the Navy so he could pursue a political career. Gets out and immediately shits all over Vietnam vets. Then he wants to use his service in Vietnam for the basis of his campaign for president. That motherf*cker is no hero. .A stronger America my ass. A weaker America if Kerry is elected.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tubalcain
finally i would like to ask g.w. one question. if you are so worried about countries with wmd, and dictators that abuse their citizens, why didnt we invade north korea? we know that they have nukes, and we know that they violate civil rights. buuuuuuuuuuut, we also know that they have a standing one million man army, and we might not be able to roll over them.


Why dont we start a war with North Korea. Well for one their leader is a psycho with nukes. They have always threaten the US and South Korea with nuclear war. He doesn't even care about his own people do you think he cares about the rest of the world.
Yeah...... if we started a war with North Korea the missiles would really start flying. Then you liberals would really be crying.You dont think we could defeat North Korea ? Give me a break. We could but at a far greater cost than the Iraq war.So, what about a million man army. We could destroy that country.
I was in Korea. I did my tour on the DMZ. Practically everyday you would hear them blasting. Do you know what they were doing. Blasting tunnels in the hillside so they could place artillary in the side of the mountain. Why, so they could turn South Korea into a sea of fire if need be. Their words not mine.
I'm glad BUSH has more sense than you.

I completely agree with the war on "terrorism" and it's futility...."pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" [/B][/QUOTE]


Yeah........we should sit around and do nothing. We should do more of what he's doing.......... is that right?


http://home.ripway.com/2004-8/167824/kerrycampaign.gif

Are you for real ? Do you really believe all that crap ?:rolleyes:

That doesn't surprise me one bit...Kerry's stance on the issues does change quite frequently... :rolleyes:

But hey im just "unpatriotic" so my opinion doesn't matter anyway... [/B][/QUOTE]


Arioch,

In my view your patriotism has nothing to do with why your opinion doesn't matter... Its your Liberal thinking !

That type of thinking is the cancer of our society.

Gothic Chick,
You and I share some similar views...As a matter of fact, I was even accused by one of the members here, of actually BEING you, under a different SN...However, this is one time that I have to completely disagree with you...

EVERYONE's opinion matters...Even if we disagree agree with it...An opinion is often NOT a fact, but merely an expression of what a person thinks of an issue, and how they feel about it...

While the validity of a FACT can be disputed...An OPINION cannot be right or wrong...It is ONLY an opinion, and we each have a right to our own...

For example...If I said..."The sky is blue"...Well, that isn't an opinion, as it is an established FACT...So, it can be disputed, like this..."The sky is only blue in the daytime, it is black at night, and sometimes it contains brilliant shades of purple and pink, as well"

BUT, if I said..."My opinion is that the sky is beautiful"...You cannot say that my opinion is WRONG, if your opinion happens to be that the sky is ugly...