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Haunted 05-24-2009 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by missmacabre (Post 808935)
I think everyone's arguing but all saying the same thing. Neither gender should start a fight, but if someone picks a fight they are asking for it. Milktoaste saying that you should never hit a lady (or gentlemen) to me just meant that you shouldnt start a fight. He said that a lady is someone with manners and as soon as you are picking senseless fights you no longer fit in that category and you are then fair game.

That part I understand. As I said, the best thing to do if someone hits you is to call the cops and report them for assault and battery. If you hit them back, you're going to jail too.

My point is ultimately this... Women have been treated as weak and defenseless for thousands of years and the stereotype doesn't hold water. We aren't. Men may have more physical strenght, but what's he going to do with his eyes clawed out of his head? Women have a whole different means of fighting unless we've been trained. Women are smaller so we're wirey. Now if you have some ridiculous standard where some woman of my build goes up against a guy who's 6' or 6'2 and can press two fifty, that's getting into a place where I know I'm going to get my ass kicked.

missmacabre 05-24-2009 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Haunted (Post 808945)
That part I understand. As I said, the best thing to do if someone hits you is to call the cops and report them for assault and battery. If you hit them back, you're going to jail too.

My point is ultimately this... Women have been treated as weak and defenseless for thousands of years and the stereotype doesn't hold water. We aren't. Men may have more physical strenght, but what's he going to do with his eyes clawed out of his head? Women have a whole different means of fighting unless we've been trained. Women are smaller so we're wirey. Now if you have some ridiculous standard where some woman of my build goes up against a guy who's 6' or 6'2 and can press two fifty, that's getting into a place where I know I'm going to get my ass kicked.

Yeah that's what I was getting at. It all depends what game you are playing. Like when my brother and I play fight for example. We'll be joking around punching each other but if he starts actually hurting me and won't let up I'm gonna dig my nails into his arm. lol

Despare 05-24-2009 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by missmacabre (Post 808946)
Yeah that's what I was getting at. It all depends what game you are playing. Like when my brother and I play fight for example. We'll be joking around punching each other but if he starts actually hurting me and won't let up I'm gonna dig my nails into his arm. lol

You women are vicious... even when playing it escalates to scratching and, the worst, pinching. I don't deserve a 50 cent size bruise from a pinch on my arm because I tickled.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/25075/fami...ld-you-to-stop

Yep...

missmacabre 05-24-2009 10:57 PM

haha no a tickle fight is a tickle fight, asnd when I bight it's for an entirely different reason.

I only resort to "fighting like a girl" when I am actually in pain and have stated without laughing that he need to stop, cause I can't exactly use alll that upper body strength to get my brother to stop.

(couldnt watch your video, I'm not from the states.)

Azazel005 05-24-2009 11:00 PM

I certainly agree that at the end of the day, that sort of violence is inappropriate, at times though it is unavoidable. I certainly don't think it's sexist of me to say "in most cases if I was attacked by a women, I wouldn't hit back" restrain, avoid push away all possible but certainly not fight per se for the reasons I outlined earlier. Sure it's an archaic state of mind, though all things considered its a reasonable course of action to take. It's as much for me as for the opponent, I don't want to deal with the reality that I have seriously hurt someone over some fickle in the moment issue.

I know a lot of guys, that have some expierence fighting that take that stance and it's not about being sexist just a reality that you don't know for sure how much damage you can do and men and women are more often then not physically mismatched.

Lets just use an example that's here hopefully you don't mind Haunted it's just your someone who did post there height weight.

So Haunted is 124 pounds and 5''6'.

Az is about 200 pounds and 6''1'.

With no senses of exaggeration I can physically pick up Haunted with one hand, I could with both arms throw her across a room without a serious strain. I haven't tested my hit force in a lot of years but it would be more then likely more PSI then Haunted's weight.

These things may all mean nothing if Haunted is a better fighter then me, I may not be able to or get a chance to hit her, though if I am a better fighter and I do, the size weight difference mean that the damage I do could be incredibly risky.

Elvis_Christ 05-24-2009 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Azazel005 (Post 808949)
With no senses of exaggeration I can physically pick up Haunted with one hand, I could with both arms throw her across a room without a serious strain.

You should def do this.

Haunted 05-25-2009 01:05 AM

Fuck you, Elvis Christ!

Yeah, azazel, but who knows what I might do to you in the process of you trying to pick me, and that's assuming you can get your hands on me in the first place.

cheebacheeba 05-25-2009 01:13 AM

Everyone should try fighting like Voldo

Elvis_Christ 05-25-2009 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Haunted (Post 808972)
Fuck you, Elvis Christ!

:D hurr hurrr

Ferox13 05-25-2009 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Haunted (Post 808931)
Or you could take the palm of your hand and ram it up someone's nose breaking it that way. That pretty much always works. Of course, you may kill the poor bastard, but if he's attacking you, who the hell cares?

Are you talking about the 'old nose bone into the brain' myth?

This woman tryed some shit in bar with me last week - she was luckly me being a gentleman that I didn't kick her ass

http://i2.tinypic.com/soqu01.jpg

Elvis_Christ 05-25-2009 02:38 AM

Dude we should def pund some beers sometime... sounds like it'd be a wild choas filled night :D

urgeok2 05-25-2009 06:59 AM

old fashioned - i know .. but i'd never hit a girl under any circumstances.

being a big guy i've never experienced anything other than being punched ...
(but that just caused the girl/s to complained that 'i hurt their hands'

i had one girfriend who'd slap me all the time - when i got sick of it i just told her that the next time she slapped me would be the last time she ever saw or heard from me.


if some crazy big girl ever went nuts i guess i'd just put her in an armlock - there are things you can do to control people other than hitting them ...

hitting isnt an instinctual thing with me...

Ferox13 05-25-2009 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by urgeok2 (Post 809036)
if some crazy big girl ever went nuts i guess i'd just put her in an armlock - there are things you can do to control people other than hitting them ...

hitting isnt an instinctual thing with me...

You can add slams and chokes to that list too :-)

urgeok2 05-25-2009 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferox13 (Post 809043)
You can add slams and chokes to that list too :-)


and the ever popular 'helicopter spin'

Ferox13 05-25-2009 07:23 AM

or and Toeholds - Knee bars and Heel hooks..

I'd never hit a woman but i'd heelhook the shit out of her :-)

urgeok2 05-25-2009 07:25 AM

seriously - put someones arm up behind them and hold them against the wall - pushing the arm up higher if they try shit - not many people can get out of that without a broken arm..

Ferox13 05-25-2009 07:35 AM

Its quite tricky to twist a resisting persons arm behind their back, i would think. A standing kimura is prolly your best bet, however it can often damge the arm rtaher than just secure it as its done with speed.

However i may be wrong as I've little experience restraining peope in bar fights.

urgeok2 05-25-2009 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferox13 (Post 809049)
Its quite tricky to twist a resisting persons arm behind their back, i would think. A standing kimura is prolly your best bet, however it can often damge the arm rtaher than just secure it as its done with speed.

However i may be wrong as I've little experience restraining peope in bar fights.


beats me - all i know is that if i grab the wrist (and i have a hell of a grip)
do that little duck and turn ... its impossible to get out of.

(i've shown friends who knew what to expect and they still couldnt stop it from happening)

its got to be done really fast though ...


i dont think it would work on a body builder with 36" biceps but for the average crazy girl it should do fine :)

milktoaste 05-25-2009 08:04 AM

The last time I saw a girl get punched by a man in a bar, the entire bar(30 or so people) proceeded to kick the hell out of the guy who hit her. She instigated the whole thing, mouthing off at the guy and slapping him and what not. But everybody know's girl hitting is a no-no. Call it archaic, I think it's closer to chivalry and I don't see how that could possibley be disrepectful to an empowered woman.

I mentioned earlier that I once dated a female boxer who was way better at throwing blows than I am. She on multiple occasions mention how she wouldn't fight a man due to the unfair size and strength advantage(of course there were exeptions). She was about 5'9" 140lbs. and knew all their was to know about fist fighting. She scared the shit out of me, and I'm glad she never wanted to kick my ass because she would have gotten plenty of hits in. Honestly, I've never been physically attacked by a woman of her skill level, fortionately that level of training also comes with a solid dose of disapline.

milktoaste 05-25-2009 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by urgeok2 (Post 809052)
beats me - all i know is that if i grab the wrist (and i have a hell of a grip)
do that little duck and turn ... its impossible to get out of.

(i've shown friends who knew what to expect and they still couldnt stop it from happening)

its got to be done really fast though ...


i dont think it would work on a body builder with 36" biceps but for the average crazy girl it should do fine :)

The hip toss, works on everybody, even the muscle heads.


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