Other people can read jokes and not take the the wrong way too :)

I have to disagree with what was said about welfare.I work for a company that helps people,parents of small children,to get the help they need.We live in a jobless community,there is nothing here.The people we help sign on to welfare programs are usually ashamed.I feel so bad for these people,its not fair.It really pisses me off to go into a business and the person waiting on you looks like they are 15 and does nothing but complain.There are people out there that would give anything for those jobs.So,what i'm trying to say is that i think welfare can help some people better themselves.Where i live they have to work for it,they work just as hard as anyone else.Does it make a difference?I think so!I know there are the so called welfare bums,not here anymore.If you don't work,you don';t get it!


The reason i decided not to vote is because i cannot make up my mind.I only have a few days and i don't see it happening.I think its a waste if i vote for someone i'm not sure i want.Do you guys understand what i'm saying?

Agree with you on the welfare issue Pinky Pinkster Poodlepie

Arg, yah I know, usually I'm a lot better at that too. Sorry. I'll lighten up. Just going through some more shit that I won't bore you all with. But Elvis, I gotta say, you have never been very nice to me, although that just might be your style. I'm just sick of life being such a struggle.

You're right I am...I may not have the right to vote yet...but I have the right to help campaign and volunteer for the delegates of my choosing. And thankyou to what u said before. Finally some sensical independents or republicans [I'm not sure what u affiliate with]

First of all, I said nothing to disagree with.
My words never said anything about Welfare, I wasn't even thinking of it.
The lady's husband I was talking about took government insurance and noone over a certain yearly income can get that, so he is one that sees alot of lower income people. I never made any reference to anyone being the derogatory names Doc used in his post. I never would, it's degrading.
There are people that truly struggle, and they are the ones Welfare was created for-to help them along the way.
If you knew anything about me, it would be clear I see people on an even level
and maybe, just maybe not everybody is cut out to be famous.
What's your version of success?
Mine is having good kids.
Mine is my grandfather who worked as a coal miner and when he turned 42 bought his first house and owned it, owned his car and grew a impressive garden in the backyard. He never said a bad word about anybody and always had a smile, a joke and a piece of carmel chews for me.
Was he rich? Not by material means, but I have never met another person as good as he was. He is the reason I do not hate men.
FYI:
Welfare was created to help temporarily
I have a personal experience with it as well.
When my husband lost his job and after 6 months of searching and no new job, we had no income.
We got food stamps and we were disqualified to receive a monthy check because we both owned cars over a $2000 value.
That was the excuse
Not getting into any other details but that was a pretty soul crushing experience.
My mom and me lived in fucking squallor most of my young life, and yet never went on Welfare, instead she worked 3 jobs and went into the Navy and went to college and even though it was slow going, got a Masters in Social Work at age 36. I may have my differences with that women, but that is fucking impressive.




Now, let's see how you all miss the point of this post...;)

[QUOTE=novakru;750561]I do not like politics and I will not vote for a broken, irreparable system that has gone so far from what our founding fathers intended .
Our polictical system has the foundations to transform America into fucking Utopia, I have no doubt.
It would have to be torn down to that foundation and re -built by people who are not racist, sexist, or whatever the religious one is...no bias in any way, not bought, not sold, no money for this, that or the other bribe or gift. The people of the new government would have to be honest, decent and intelligent and have a selfless agenda.
It's not going to happen.
I will not add to the chaos with my vote that could be discarded at a politicians whim anyway.
Think that can't happen?
Let me tell you about the early voting here:
You go in, SIGN YOUR NAME and vote
No proof of ID, no proof of voter registration, NOTHING
So, I could go in there and vote and then change my appearence and vote again
If you get caught, it's a federal offense- but um, if I am FAKING my name- how the hell are they going to find me eh??
This little fact makes me sick but it's completely not suprising.

In response to this....you're not alone. I reccomend reading Larry Sabato's A More Perfect Constitution. It's great. Discusses the founding fathers predictions and intentions; also stresses to some extent a lac k of specificity with the way they wrote it. Also indicates--for the most part the gov't isn't the core problem--the fact that too many right wing conservatives don't want to reform it--update it to the generation it is suppose to serve, not one 242 years ago. Also indicates provisions to fully proportion representatives with citizens, etc. Anyway--it outlines the good, thoroughly discusses the bad--and provides suggestions that he as well as I and others encourage ppl to get informed about and push towards congress [as others like myself will get there].


I think if a 100 more of you LEP...could really get in there and tear it up and truly make a difference.
But the thing is, youth is idealistic and has the energy to change things....if you can manage to get into politics and not have those good morals destroyed , then all the power to you honey, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
So, influence your friends, get a gang of people like minded as you are, study the law, get into entry level government jobs and keep on climbing baby.:)

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Oh, I'm working on it believe me. I've gone to rallies, campaign offices, spoke to former workers from the military whom instead of living a lie resigned--received a lot of crap from the Bush ADmin for doing so--but was able to write a book about feeling great about doing what was right and speaking up as opposed to conforming to something that's techincally a violation of the UN's principles. I won't get into details--but I wrote the title of this in the what book are u reading thread [if ur interested]. And I'm gonna see if I can either go to the local capitol here at some point--or b/c I live in Maryland--eventually just go to DC myself during the next congressional session--[after elections are over]. I'm making attempts, nova. :)

How are we fucked by both?

I respect your opinion--just is there an argument for it?

WTF?!?!?! It's not a shoe-in. All of the people who think that, probably won't vote and that's how he'll end up losing. I so f***ing wish people wouldn't think that way just because he's leading in the polls. That doesn't mean anything. At some point Kerry/Edwards were leading in the pole of '04 and b/c so many democrats thought it was "a given" they didn't vote. I'm not a republican, but this is one thing I respect from them: They sure know how to get thier supporters at the polls. I don't know how or what they do, but they don't get let downs. Then again...they always have their lobbyists as a backup plan.

While I understand you Despare, for the most part the main reason why nowadays [past 40 yrs or so] that we don't spend time on the issues is because we [the american voters] are far too ignorant and know very little about their government; so when it comes down to voting we decide that "Kennedy's poise and wardrobe is so much better than that over guy so I'll vote for him." This whole thing started in the 60s, I believe. Everyone was into the physical appearance and the small stuff...just like in '97 with Clinton and Lewinsky--we made such a big deal about the affair and impeached him instead of impeaching Bush for his heinous war crimes and deals with foreign oil companies--all of which we are paying the reprocussions for; wheras though Clinton did his thing with her-are economy wasn't in debt--was still booming and regulating--now we're in trillions of dollars of debt. Funny how things have been working as of late isn't it?

I somewhat agree on this...which is why I'm double majoring with 2 BAs in Engish and Political Science,--so if I don't be a playwright and writer (or cough teacher) I could use political science in a smooth route to work my way into law school--(which I don't mind at all--I haven't did Forensics for nothing) be an attorney for a while--then run for a political office. This has always been my back up plan; fortunately for me, I love politics just as much as I love writing and speaking to people equally so either career direction would be a plus for me.

Sorry, McCain is going to win. It's already been decided. :)

nothing left to do except stand back and watch it all burn.

Oh, I wasn't voicing my displeasure with Obama......:rolleyes:


Ron Paul, I thought you meant ......


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Well, it's a good thing you weren't voicing your displeasure with Obama, cuz then apparently you'd have to go klannin' with me. :rolleyes: Maybe I took the jokes the wrong way cuz I don't want to be associated with the KKK, they're a bunch of way fucked-up, very scary weirdos (and I don't mean that as a compliment :p )

Now that pic, THAT's hilarious! Thanks, I needed some good humor. :)

Actually, I do understand exactly what you're saying. Although I don't think Obama would be a great leader, I'm not all that fired up about McCain either. I voted for Bush and look what a sorry disappointment he turned out to be. So I may just stay out of it altogether this year too. I don't know. :confused:

Thanks sweetie;)
@ Nova,i might have read thread wrong..sorry.I don't even remember whose post it was,i just know i read something about it.I have to defend the small amount of people who do deserve it and need it.I am really emotional in my work,i'm not supposed to be..but i am.I see people that go from working a great job and never needing a thing to having to struggle to feed their families.The sad part is,its usually a mother with 2 or 3 kids that the father refuses to support.Fucking low life dads!!Anyway,i was not directing my post at anyone in particular.Nova,you know i would never bash on you lady;)I just get frustrated by the people who DO look down on those receiving welfare.I know there are tons of people who don't need it,times that by 10 and get the number of those who do;)

My apologies if I seemed abrasive. I take more offense from people who I find to be generally kind and decent being ignorant than I do idiots and am extremely offended whenever people think that an education is the only thing in the way of security in this country. I agree with your vision of success. It's what I want too. I want to have a modest house and raise children. Most authors I know want the same thing. My own grandfather grew up on a mountain in Vermont at a dairy farm and ended up becoming a jet engineer. I'm not sure he could do that today. The man wanted sign in the window and the orphan entrepreneur are gone. I was simply saying it's not as clearcut as just getting the degree. Luck, support and humility have a lot to do with it too, and if one of those things isn't present, intelligent people can fall on their face just as easily as the uneducated. The America game is not so simple as some people want everybody to believe. There are no hard and fast rules. Plenty of stupid, shallow ignorami are rich and plenty of brilliant people are still poor.

I am completely unoffended Doc
There is no easy to anything, in my experience

someone wise just recently told me 'it's how you handle the bad things in life that gets you through it, nothing is impossible unless you let it'.
And I didn't think you were bashing whatsoever Pink, I needed to make sure you or anyone else wasn't reading into what I said other than what was stated..it's all good sweetie!
We all see things in a different light- that doesn't mean I cannot see how incredibly sweet Pink is or how talented Doc is with putting words together.
Just because everybody doesn't agree with me, doesn't mean you are any less that when you DID agree with me.
I hope that can be reciprocal, but not something I expect:cool:
I think reading something is always tainted with our own pre-judgements anyway, you know?
Hence the the wink smilie..

It is the bane of typing letters, If we were all face to face debating, it would be a whole different shabang- I could totally sway you to my way of thinking:D
JK!! I wouldn't wish that for anything, how fucking boring that would be.

We are all coming from completely different backgrounds and life experience.
So we all something to add and I have seen alot of different points of view here and come to see things a little better for it.
I mean Rayne alone has changed my life:) Things I thought were devestating became just a new situation to look FORWARD to.




@Lep, you get more and more interesting my lil dear.
You need to stay at horror so everybody can see you change the world.:cool:

Hes a shoe-in ;).

First he does not have enough experience to lead this country. Second, I truly believe he would not represent all Americans. Third he is anti America, he has demonstrated this by his support of the anti American church he has attended for the past 20+ years. Fourth, he continues to support the reverend White who is blatantly racist, anti American, and a despicable individual; especially for a reverend. Last, his wife is also racist and totally anti American. I just dont like him.

I doubt it-seriously. It's closer than u think. Some thought Kerry/Edwards was a shoe-in and they were all proven wrong

LOL.......

We'll see who's laughing when our taxes are raised so high we loose our homes.

I'm not a huge fan of Obama either but when it comes to experience he's not that bad. Lincoln only served one term in congress...

like I said in my last post, obama will not be president.

also don't worry about your homes, you have no idea how close you are to losing your country.

Lincoln wasnt all that good of a man either.

That's a ridiculous statement, propaganda from the Queen?

I agree! murder doll you probably dont even know what going on in the world your just talking out your ass. Sorry to be mean but its true.

You might want to read this in regards to taxes:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politic...-tax30.article
Unless you make 250,000 or more, Obama is not raising your taxes. Nor is he going to fine people based on healthcare choices. He said it pointblank during the debate. Watch these things, read things, don't just listen to what Mc Cain says. Was Bush completely trustworthy? Did anybody find WMDs in Iraq or a link to Al Qaeda, which operates out of Afghanistan and Pakistan primarily? Going to war with Iraq to get Al Qaeda is like trying to trash the Louvre by bombing Germany.

So he's raising taxes on the poor? Nice guy lol

No. Taxes are raised for RICH people. Those making $250,000 or more. If you make 250 grand, you are not poor.

Maybe i just read it wrong. Anyway you look at it thought taxes are high enough. So I mean now if you make a good living you have to pay more taxes its like whats the point of working hard for a living?

Actually, they did find some uranium and also some physical components that could have been used to make dirty bombs and while they're no WMDs, they could have done a lot of damage. Anyway, Iraq WAS the wrong PRIMARY target but I strongly believe that if we quickly pull all middle Eastern occupancy we will be attacked again. Al Qaeda was not destroyed (thanks to the administration being too focused on Saddam) and is still a threat, if we do pull out of the Middle East we better strengthen our borders.

I don't know nova--ur a great person...but I've did forensics my whole high school career and still considering it now--even nationally ranked--so don't know if u could sway my way of thinking. lol :D


Exactly. Initially we are all naturally misunderstood because of everyone's psyche of childhood. We were all raised differently and from generations. Whether we know it or not, or agree or disagree with some of the ways we were brought up--it inadvertingly has a way of influencing our moral standings on issues that pertain to us and leaders. As we get older it perhaps may vanish from ur outlook on life, but u don't forget completely. Ususally ur mind is made up around 40--and for those that differ from you u would acknowledge their points--maybe compromise even--but the probability of you going from head to tails in a nano second isn't as high. But you do definitely broaden your scale of knowledgeable spectrum. Understand what I'm saying?[/QUOTE]


Thanks...but only if u guys want me to do so. And as much as I believe I can change the world--if it happens that I don't : "I'm not saying that I'll change the world. But I gurantee I will spark the brain who will change the world. " Tupac [2Pac] Amaru Shakur.

He's also offering a 500 dollar tax credit for middle class families. He's only raising taxes for the rich. If you have more, you should give a little more. It doesn't mean you'll have nothing left. Some of the extra tax money he plans on getting for example, will be through raising estate taxes on estates bigger than 3.5 million dollars. I believe most people can live on a mere 2 million in inheritance. Maybe you can't goldplate your Aston Martin but you'll make due.

What a bunch of propaganda, generalizations and fallacies.

We could do so by getting to the root of the problem and no longer palling around with Pakistan or putting more effort into Afghanistan, though it is tragically oil free.

Same here....if ur making X amonts of trillions of dollars...does it really make a difference if some of ur billions are taxed? It's a rich/rich situation.

HAHA I have no idea what's going on in the world?

you're trying to kill terrorism, do you know how stupid that is? the war on terrorism LOL

do you have any idea on how raising oil prices is going to effect you? you're going bankrupt.

you're going to be a very desperate country in 5-10 years and probably go to war with iran to try and boost your economy. yee hay, get your boots and gun ready!

if you've eaten up enough bullshit from the media to think obama and his wife are unamerican, I already know how smart you are. How are they unamerican? because they aren't poor and uneducated? LOL


btw if all you can do is call me stupid without refuting anything, you probably shouldn't waste space on the site.

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