Relax, just pull up your big girl pants and take the joke. :)

What film demographic genre-wise do black people fit into?

I did take it...this is my way of going on with it.

I didn't mean you, of course; it was the other one, I disagreed with her and wham! she went all cold and weird, said strange things and displayed a cryptic personality. Lasted about a week like that, was real creepy. Haven't disagreed since! Not worth it. Nope, not worth it.

Any crappy movie with a shitty rapper in it. That or something to do with cars. But you can believe if the soundtrack consists of mainly rap, or the movie has anything to do with dancing, thats the kind of film. Though most people these days seem to like those movies better than any actual good movie. At least in my area. Like people around my area all hated Pan's Labyrinth, but loved Step-Up 2: The Street. WHAT THE FUCK?!


By the way if that statement sounded racist, i'm not racist, thats just how I sees it, and I calls em as i sees em.

Well it gets complicated for that type of question because some blacks get offended when asked that question cuz they don't want to be within a "Stereotype" but fail to realize lots of groups are and either way you look at, stereotypes start from true patterns we know about people then turn over time into generalizations about people.


Anyway I would say

1. Comedy (Not so much romance comedy or comedy drama--more like actual shows like Kings of Commedy, Queens of Commedy, Chris Rock Live, BET's One Mic Stand, etc)

2. Movie Comedy (Scary Movie, Soul Plane, etc the typical "comedic/ghetto" stereotype of black stuff

3. Some Profound drama that's historic or relevant to the "comtemporary black community" (Malcolm X (Denzel Washington, SPike Lee, etc), Roots, Selma, Lord Selma, Gangster movies(ATL, Boys in DA Hood, Meance II Society, Poetic Justice, 8 MILE, etc

4. Some though are into to the mindblowing Oscar deserving and winnning things such as Titanic, Monster's Ball, etc

5. ANY TYLER PERRY MOVIE OR STAGE PLAY WHATSOEVER. Just about every black person has seen, heard about, or joked around about Tyler Perry's infamous character : Madea.

6. Urban stuff: dance movies (Step up, Save the LAst Dance, You Got served, Honey, etc

8. Action: Bad Boys, Never 2 Big, etc

Um, I think that gives it justice. Although I might be excluding a few things, I do have a headache by the way.

Hold up. Don't get me wrong. I do view my self as a young aspiring, female black intellecual who tries her hardest to be as versatile as she can be (hence me joining hdc), but I do love the step up series and those "urban dance movies"--and no not because of the soundtrack--because of the plot ; the soundtrack and the fact that that was filmed in my hometown both times and parts of my high school was just a bonus.

And no biggie on the no attempt at being racist. It's all good. I see your point, but disagree with the delivery.

And by the way, it would be nice if you didn't refer to them as "crappy" or "shitty" rappers--that's a little more than just "dissing." Perhaps something like you've heard other artists with more intriguing and well developed lyrical ability rather than rappers are shitty. Because if anyone were to say that about one of your fav movies instead of explaining what you mean by that you might not be pissed but a little offended.

For future reference by the way. :)

me too, posher.
my family immigrated over here in the 30s. my dad's side.
the rest of me is irish.

I know...thought you were joking...tried to go along with it.

Maybe she had spilt personality disorder or bipolar

Moral of the story: We always win

Nice. I've always wanted to go there.


@Leprucky- All rappers are shitty. All. Of. Them.

You have to be honest, most of them ARE crappy rappers. You don't see Rakim, MC Lyte, KRS One, or the like in many of those flicks.


Although I love DMX, in his movies and music.

No they're not. Not all of them

2Pac, Notorius Big, Nas, Talib Kweli, Jay Z, Mos Def, Eminem, Common, Run DMc, Whodini, Grandmaster Flash, Jadakiss, etc and countless others. Anything from 1998 going forward is mostly garbage besides anything made by some of these people. Not all of their tracks (besides a few) are mindblowing, but from a wholistic standpoint, they are.

Well it must be hard to see things clearly thru your stupid hat

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Well I thought we were talking about the ones in general...not the ones in movies,,,and some of you guys may be suprised...but a few of them are well educated. This new rapper (I don't like him but anyway) named plies graduated from FSU and Paul Wall University of Houston with degrees in business and industrial engineering.

Ice Cube and Ice T are solid actors and great "rappers".

Disagree. I think rap is shit.

What is shit? That's it? You offer no premise? No foundation for a logical argument? Just "shit" ? Ok, that's fine. I'll acknowledge your opinion.

However I believe the title of this thread was addressing demographic assertions behind Black people and horror. And in no disrespect to you I think we should go back to that--not positive if the person whom created the thread would appreciate the back and forth tangents.

I have a theory about all of the "Scary Movie" movies (and even the movies that they have influenced: "Date Movie," "Epic Movie," "Meet the Spartans," etc.):

They're made by black people (the Wayans Brothers) for black people, and not only that, but they make the assumption that the audience is ridiculously stupid. Talk about negative black stereotypes (from black people shouting insipid things at a movie screen in Scary movie to black people "pimping their rides" in the form of remaking Alyson Hannigan in Date movie) perpetuated and expressed in those movies.

I take offense at those movies (their assumption that the audience is a bunch of slack-jawed morons) and I'm not even black.

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In terms of intellectual African American cinema, I think that Spike Lee is absolutely brilliant (Do The Right Thing being one of my all-time favorite films and what I see as a poignant study of racial relations). Wonder what a Spike Lee horror movie would be like.

Digital Underground, De La Soul, NAS, Wu Tang Clan, Bone Thugs, etc... there's plenty of good rap and hip hop out there but you don't usually see it in the mainstream. Mainstream rap sucks for the most part but to dismiss the genre completely is a bit harsh. Oops, you mentioned Nas...

Have go agree with LC there. I'd add Kanye West into that bunch, too. I think that 2Pac and Eminem are absolute poets. Watching quality freestyle rapping gives me goosebumps.

Oh, and I'm a HUGE KRS-One fan, his music has great beats, lyrics, and can be very inspiring.

Like Summer of Sam, only worse. Lee is one of the most over-rated AA directors around, and his monumental ego is on display constantly. If it wasn't for overly enthusiastic white liberal film critics, his career would have ended 15 years ago.

Unfortunately, really talented directors, like the Hughes brothers haven't been able to get any work, even after their brilliant tour-de-force From Hell.


By the way, does anybody who's responded to this inanely titled thread even remember a classic subgenre known as Blaxploitation. Maybe this guy will jog someone's memory.

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I agree. Spike Lee's one of my favorite directors and playwrights. Not to mention August Wilson, and Tony Kushner.

Now in terms of the Wayans brothers insinuating their audience is stupid....perhaps that is not the case. But their goal is merely to create satirical pieces to an audience. Now I now many of us here are far too smart to take into account these skits, and feel like your intelligence may be insulted. But speaking in terms of the majority--in a country where the younger generations of your people can't name you all 50 states and capitals (nevermind getting them in order), barely knows what's going on in the political scene and can identify more with current then with the past in order to predict a brighter future something is wrong. The thing is that most young people in America are like this and because they are--are willing to enjoy and economically support it. Here it goes beyond race--it's more of a generation gap if you ask me.

But I don't think that was the goal in a Living Color.

I do like and respect Spike Lee - a lot ... but man he's a racist SOB himself.

i haven't followed him too closely since Malcolm X, but do the right thing, and she's gotta have it are great films ... not to mention Mo Better Blues - which is hands down my favorite Spike Lee Joint.


as far as what the black demographic supports where i live .. it's mostly urban comedies .. doesnt matter how bad they are...

i have 10,000 movies in my house ... and when our babysitter chose films to watch - the 1st choice was House Party 2.

2 of my best friends (a guy and a girl) are not typical and consider these films to be crap ... but for the most part ...thats what the black folks up here like.

interesting sidenote - the black population is very different in Canada from the USA... unless i'm mistaken, most blacks in the USA have been there for several generations ... while most blacks in Canada (toronto area anyway) are 1st generation west-indian.

not sure if this makes any difference in the movie viewing preferences though.


something else ... there arent that many horror fans - compared to everything else - to begin with ... so maybe as Neverending said near the beginning - maybe there's an appropriate numbers being represented here after all..

Yeah I love Hip Hop Lives by him and Marley Marl

A Spike Lee horror film would be something close to Summer of Sam wouldn't it.

Getting back to the hip hop thing Saul Williams is really impressive and totally kills bullshit paper gangstas like M&M

You're right; He's be a pretty poor horror director.

Over-rated, I disagree with.

Monumental ego, however, I can't argue.

See, I think he's absolutely brilliant. I agree with Urge: Do the Right Thing, She's Gotta Have It, and Mo Better Blues are purely brilliant character studies. Inside Man was a great little film and even Crooklyn was fantastic in its own right. His films are cleanly, deliberately directed and incredibly important to art film as a whole.

That said, I also agree with Urge that he's a racist prick who is ridiculously full of himself... But I don't think that we can ignore his influence in film.

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Re: Blacksploitation cinema... I've never seen a one. :o

Yeah most of the good stuff is underground and if you've noticed the ones whom i mentioned who are still considered mainstream are either on the verge of leaving the scene (eminem, Jay Z, etc) or when they did return "crossed over" to sell the image that is constantly portrayed that is delegitimizing it's legacy and foundation.

I like him too...I took a quiz to see what kind of rapper I was and I got Saul Williams

Ha, cool :)

I like him also.I thought it was cool too how he toured with Trent Reznor.They're real close friends too,which i think is cool.

Yeah things went so well with the tour he announced that Trent Reznor is going to co-produce his next album. I believe it's out now though called: The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of NiggyTardust!. It was available only at the website niggytardust.com until a physical CD of the album was released. Trent Reznor produced it, and Alan Moulder mixed it. Reznor said based off his own recent dealings with record labels, they should release it directly

Well, that's something I need to take note.
Trent has the midas touch when producing:cool:

Yeh dude the videos on youtube of him playing with Trent are pretty cool. Apart from how the ones I watched were censored

It seems to me that many people don't understand mental illness. I think someone can just get offended if another person disagrees with him or her. My dad is a perfect example. He doesn't have a split personality nor does he have Bipolar Disorder. He just thinks he's the only one who knows anything. Back to the point I was trying to make: Not all of us with a mental illness are crazy. :)

I've read posts on here that seemed "off" to me. I think some people just post out of anger or because they are miserable and want to bring others down. I have not done that to anyone here. ;)

Hmmm, Well you see the only good rappers are dead rappers. And no that doesn't mean I hate the genre, just the crap that comes out these days 'WHAT!!!! YEEEAh!!!!! OKAY!!!! And by dead rappers I mean Biggy and 2Pac, because lets face it, real rap died with them.

Secondly, what plot was in that movie? Hmmm a bunch of street dancers, try to get street cred by street dancing, with some street dancing friends. at the end there is a big street dance off ho down. Mix in some sort of obsticle, a few plot twists that for the most part are useless, and finish it all up by resolving the problem with.... omg dancing(didn't see that one coming). By the way I haven't even seen the movie, how close was I? And its cool and all that it involved your hometown and highschool, but guess what 5-10 years down the line nobody is going to care about it. Ever heard of the movie Ghost Story? It was filmed in a house in my area that I actually drive by all the time, I have a friend who lives next door to the house and guess what they didn't even know about it. I wonder if that little gem of a film is going to follow down the same path. :)

Sorry but when people call that crap a movie I get annoyed.

Just wanted to say that Tupac is the greatest musical artist of all time

then rock is dead, punk is dead... hmm what else can we add?

I wouldn't go as far as MOST overated but he definally i and I'd agree with alot of the rest of the above too. Plus Less definally has a very racist agenda too...

Also Black People make crap serial killers too :-)