i think he meant, not all raped women would want to abort. What if the woman was pro-life.

I think its a highly emotive subject, one to which, having never been in a situation like that, don't have any answers.

My personal view is that abortion can cause as much pain to the 'mother' as it does to the unborn child/feotus, (which ever your feelings go towards) psychologically speaking.

I would like to think I would would be supportive of her wishes, but as I say, I've never had to make that type of decision.

Hopefully I'll never have to.

there's never going to be a right or wrong answer to this question. Everyone just has their own views on the subject.

What I meant is that it's estimated that under 5% of rape cases result in pregnancy and if you take into account rape AND incest cases the fraction is even smaller (close to 1) so the same old rape and or incest arguments shouldn't be an issue. I have my opinion and everybody else can have theirs but don't try to shove yours down my throat. It's easy to make generalizations and say that all pro-choicers are bible thumping rednecks or that pro-lifers are liberal atheists so I'm hoping everybody stays away from that (too late for some?). Anyway, the poem was ok and now the thread itself sucks. I'm heading off to watch Imprint.

That is not what the post is saying - it suggests that using rape as a valid reason for abortion is a trite and dismissable excuse trying to justify the acceptance of abortion.

The tone of the post considering it was made as a response to a pro-choice comment seems pretty clear: that the few raped women who conceive should consider a pro-life poem instead of an abortion.

But apparently that's not what he meant, so there you go.

EDIT:-

The small amount of pregnant rapes nontheless addresses a huge ethical dilemma, which is should a woman be forced to feed and birth the child of an evil man, conceived through an act of premeditated evil.

Anyone with half a brain cell would say, no - therefore abortion should be legal and accepted. Or should it only be allowed in clear cases of rape?

But the real question surely is, why do threads become labelled as 'sucky' when people ask questions and try to discuss serious issues?

A: That's not what I meant, as I described, and a poem is not a viable alternative to an abortion.

B: The few people who ask questions and actually discuss a serious issue quickly get outnumbered and overshadowed by narrow-minded people who do nothing but perpetuate stereotypes. I stated my opinion, and read other people's views... again. We've had this discussion before, more than once, and frankly this thread hasn't brought anything new to the table except for the poem that started this off.

this is one of the better threads we've had in awhile

Since the last one eh? Remember that one? It's all the same stuff, and even back then it had already been discussed before. It's all just retreads of the same conversations.
There was stereotyping too...

Ah well... you get the point.

Ironically, the band Pink Floyd is pro-abortion.

But perhaps if you want a kinder, gentler world -- you should hang out at a forum NOT named Horror.com.

Nothing personal but I think that if I was raped and became pregnant I would want to have the baby and raise them so they wouldn't become a rapist or any manner of bad person.

Don't you mean pro-choice? Or does every member of Pink Floyd campaign for abortions over birth? I don't even think Syd would have known if he was pro-choice or not...

The thread is immediately pro-life propaganda, therefore subject and open to conflicting opinions.

If you find it weary, don't look at or post in it.

Others might find the subject more interesting than the opening poem.

You have said you don't like hearing about a few rape-pregnancies (a significant aspect in the concept of abortion), but that you are pro-choice. I haven't seen a lot of stereotyping, but in any event since when did that become such a dirty word?

Enjoy poem - and thread!

:D




P.S. All Yanks are fat, and Aussies are thick.

:eek:

No stereotyping? Ah well, I guess you only catch it when you're wearily reading through a thread. ;)

Ignorance is a dirty word and stereotyping is born from ignorance. Ah well, I don't even think this thread shouldn't exist as there are some good opinions in it (albiet nothing really new), I just think it should be merged with the touchy subject thread if it's going to turn into or continue to be a debate. Rape cases are important in concept but in reality they make up such a tiny portion of abortions that they are ONLY important in concept and not execution. PS: I'd say I'm pro-life.




We should force anybody who gets an abortion to eat the foetus.

There are too many people and variables in the world to not stereotype sometimes. Illdojo's sarcasm gets a point across, and rattles a cage at the same time - jackpot.

If you are pro-life, why did you say no to my question which assumed you believe any raped and subsequently pregnant women should not be allowed to abort?

Leaning towards pro-life is perfectly fine, but please answer the question:-

Do you think abortion should be allowed for impregnated rape victims?

I kind of like threads where 75% of the opinions don't even matter. ;)

Oh good lord...

If you don't have a uterus, shut the fuck up.

No, I didn't just write that. :p

If thats a general question directed at everyone...


Yes.

I wonder how many members wrote a post for this thread and then chickened out of posting it...

I did about 5 minutes ago. Just don't see the point anymore.

I didn't, but kept track of this thread and kept comparing the views with the other thread on the same subject.

this thread:

worthless opinions
a poem
A picture of a fetus in a bag (admittedly fake but whatever, it looked so much better in person)

how can anyone have complaints?

Just for the above-mentioned...this thread gets the


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It's a fucking moot point... if you've never been through it, then you don't have much to say.

Most will find out that your beliefs or opinions go out the window once you're confronted with the situation. It's easy to say "I would never kill my baby... even if I get raped" if you've never been raped and had to carry the fruit of a heinous crime perpetrated against your own body.

It's very easy to say you'd dare to bring a child into this world when you've never been confonted with extreme poverty and have no means to take care of yourself, let alone a child.

So unless you've lived through it, your opinion means shit.

And I couldn't care less if I get flak for this, so spare me.

I agree 100%.

A rape victim's mindset about her own body, and the feelings she would have for a "life" inside her, conceived after such a heinous deed...is certainly not the same for anyone who isn't in her shoes and says "she should be pro-life about it."

No fuckin' way.


Thats my 2 cents in.

Exactly, which is why I don't see the point in continuing a discussion that's going nowhere. Except for maybe a stupid argument and/or 40 more pages of did not...did to...did not......

End of discussion then? I feel kinda stupid responding so late to this thread...but I stand by my opinion on the matter.

Not that it matters a great deal though.:o

thats some pretty intense propaganda there....


word....do what you want and what you believe with your own body, and dont tell me what to do with mine....

not trying to piss any pro-lifers off or anything, and obviously the discussion in this thread is already done.....just a big advocate against big government in personal choices...

Ok I don't have a belief exactly, but more of an idea about this myself. Well basicly this idea of mine is that people have souls, and those souls have to fill a certain requirement in life before they can move on to the after life. Everybodys is different, which is why we all don't die at a certain age, like there is a basic plan that is set from before you were even born, sort of like a destiny, except its ever changing by your actions.
Now the part that is relevent to this thread is that some souls would require somebody being alive for 90 years, and some for maybe 9 days. Which would in turn mean that abortion does have a purpose in life, whether some want to think that its true or not.
Like I said, this is not a belief but an idea. Some may think of this as stupid, and possibly ignorant, but thats your opinion and you have your right to that.
Therefor I can't really say that I am pro-choice or pro-life, but more pro-destiny, so to speak.

I think any issues where people get angry enough to do something drastic is an excellent issue to discuss and I am glad it was brought up.


A guy I knew said he was pro-life, and was adament about it-thought women that had abortions were lower than shit.
Turn the clock up 5 years later and he gets a girl knocked up...guess who suggests an abortion..not her.

My own story.... I get pregnant at 19-not married, the guy is an asshole and we are on the verge of breaking up....
I do happen to be pro-choice but I didn't feel like I could possibly go through with an abortion...just could NOT do it.

My decision was made for me with a miscarriage.


My aunt- was 23-in school with an abusive boyfriend, she's claimed she was pro-life and all women that had abortions were welfare trash sluts.
But who has an abortion?
This was a decision that she had a VERY hard time doing and to this day, she feels bad about it.
I think for years after her abortion she cried when she saw babies.
I think I even wrote about her story a few years back on here.

A friend of mine was pregnant at 18, she was pro-life, had the baby....he's the most royally fucked up person I have ever known in my entire life...there are things he has done that if he HAD been aborted...well-let's just say there's at least one girl that would have a decent life right now.

Anyway, the first step to making a hot topic less chaotic is to get it DISCUSSED.
We ALL want to do the right thing,be the upstanding so and so, whatever...
but to test that in real life HUMAN conditions is another story altogether.

A good point somebody made is how perspective on a matter can change on the basis of personal experience - probably the one thing in here nobody could argue with, or have a legitimate opinion against. Guess one will never know which stance they'd truly take "in theory".

I've said my bit on this one...not saying it's any more or less valid than the others...I got my say on it, and I'm not fanatical about it, or trying to convince anyone else either way - That's why I feel right referring to the thing I go with "pro choice", not "pro MY choice" - It applies to not only the conventional definition, but also in general, the choice to not have to give in to the expectations of others, either way. Believe what you're gonna believe, let it known for the sake of discussion if called upon, just "get" that it's a pretty gray area, even if you stand clearly in the black or white of it.

I wasn't initially going to say any more about the matter, but it came to me...so may as well throw in what I had.
What I came here in the first place for was to address this:

How about, fuck off? That work for you?
Don't rock up here and assume you can tell people to head off on the basis of their views, whether or not you think they're sugarcoated.
Dickhead.

Amen, Phalanx. :cool:

Because you asked Pressure, I still consider myself pro-life even though I believe in early term abortions if it's the result of a rape. Honestly though, my opinion is mine only and yours belongs to you but our opinions don't matter a bit. Nobody here has an opinion that really matters unless of course they're contemplating an abortion right now or a supreme court justice (I hate seeing those words together sometimes). Do I understand this? Of course. Am I still arrogant enough to consider myself a spokesman for unborn babies? Sometimes...

Also, even though I think stereotypes are lazy prejudices I would never let one rattle my cage. In fact, I don't think there's much on an internet forum that could rattle me at all. You can keep trying though. ;)

Oh, and as far as poverty goes, if somebody's not working they shouldn't be screwing. Understand the risks and deal with the consequences.

I feel the same way Dark Party. Besides, who the fuck are you?

why he's Randy Anderson of course.

There's the thick-skinned evil puppy we've all learned to love! Well, most of us... :D

Disagree about several comments stating that our opinions on subjects that do not momentarily concern us (or that we are not qualified to discuss through gender) do not matter.

Of course opinions matter, all opinions matter. In the free world, general opinions help shape law, keep the peace and improve society. It is volume and variety of opinion that counts. Sometimes educated views must contend with ignorant bleating, and sometimes righteous sensibilities lose out.

And if you cannot type an opinion in a general message forum without people simply moaning about the privilege, what is the point of it? Lord, you pro-lifers especially are like so vacuously irritable about the abortion debate.

OOps! i stereotyped

:eek:

I think pro-lifers can believe what they want and yes, abortion is a very sad thing, but I've said this millions of times. CIRUMSTANCES! There are hundreds of circumstances. What if the woman had HIV? Would she want it to pass on to her baby. I certainly wouldn't. So, no, I don't agree with pro-lifers but they don't agree with me, therefore, there is no right or wrong answer!

I agree that we should be able to share our opinions without getting lambasted for them. I just wish most people would keep their opinions to themselves because their opinions simply aren't as good as mine. ;)

Stereotypers are such instigators. :cool:

If you don't like abortions don't have one....
I'm down for pro choice.
A lot of pro lifers should've been torn outta womb to make the world a better place.

like that one lady on Wife Swap. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...rading+spouses

haha yes.

welcome back btw