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Now that the 90s are settled, I'll post my top 20. 1 Jacob's Ladder (1990) 2 The Silence of the Lambs (1991) 3 The Blair Witch Project (1999) 4 Dead Alive (1992) 5 Ravenous (1999) 6 Army of Darkness (1992) 7 Audition (aka Odishon) (1999) 8 Cronos (1993) 9 Se7en (1995) 10 Scream (1996) 11 Clean, Shaven (1993) 12 Night of the Living Dead (1990) 13 Misery (1990) 14 The Exorcist III (1990) 15 Ringu (1998) 16 Natural Born Killers (1994) 17 The Frighteners (1996) 18 The Sixth Sense (1999) 19 The Dentist (1996) 20 Funny Games (1998) |
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Please add 'Godzilla: Final Wars" to the 2000-13 list. I thought that was a really good movie, fast paced, full of symbolism, taking many of the old movies into one plot (Atragon, Gorath, & all 60-70 Godzilla movies), and a lot of fun.
I've submitted my my 2000-13 list. I found this one the most difficult. I look forward to seeing the list, so I can check out some of those movies. |
Thanks to Sculpt for submitting his list for the 2000s (it's 2000-2012, not 2000-2013). I need 2 more from you, since your list has 20 films, not 22.
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Here's my 90's list Se7en (1995) The Sixth Sense (1999) Arachnophobia (1990) Sphere (1998) Jacob's Ladder (1990) Jurassic Park (1993) The Lawnmower Man (1992) The Silence of the Lambs (1991) Army of Darkness (1992) Alien³ (1992) The X Files (1998) Flatliners (1990) Godzilla vs. Destroyah (1995) Sleepy Hollow (1999) Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992) Blade (1998) Gamera 2: Attack of the Legion (1996) Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris (1999) Kiss the Girls (1997) Misery (1990) |
NINE lists have come in for the 2000s so far. Can I get at least THREE more before the weekend rolls in?
Let's wait and see. Expecting to see 22 each from - Chronogrl, hammerfan, Giganticface, Starchild, Fortunato, and anyone else who is reading this thread. |
I just submitted my top 22. As I mentioned before, IMO right now is a great time to be a horror fan. Despite a lot of bad CGI and and vastly inferior remakes, there are some real good things happening right now.
As I've done in the past, here are my "next 20" (in this case, next 22). I think it demonstrates that the quality goes deep. There are some future classics in this list. 23 Ils (aka Them) (2007) 24 Let Me In (2010) 25 Ichi The Killer (aka Koroshiya 1) (2001) 26 Identity (2003) 27 The Strangers (2008) 28 Dawn of the Dead (2004) 29 The Others (2001) 30 Zombieland (2009) 31 Ju-On: The Grudge (2002) 32 House of 1000 Corpses (2003) 33 The Orphanage (El Orfanato) (2007) 34 Black Death (2011) 35 House of the Devil (2009) 36 Dumplings (2004) 37 The Woman (2011) 38 The Children (2008) 39 28 Days Later... (2002) 40 Triangle (2009) 41 V/H/S (2012) 42 Insidious (2010) 43 Dagon (2001) 44 Paranormal Activity (2007) |
^^ I agree. I find it frustrating when horror fans complain about the direction the genre is going - Fact is, I think there's been a LOT of great horror movies the past decade... Not sure I can limit my list to just 22... :-/
Edit: So here's my 22: Ginger Snaps (2000) Jeepers Creepers (2001) The Others (2001) 28 Days Later (2002) Dog Soldiers (2002) May (2002) House of 1000 Corpses (2003) Shaun of the Dead (2004) Three... Extremes (2004) The Descent (2005) FEAST (2005) Black Sheep (2006) The Host (2006) 28 Weeks Later (2007) Inside (2007) Paranormal Activity (2007) The Signal (2007) Trick 'r Treat (2009) Let the Right One In (2008) Martyrs (2008) House of the Devil (2009) The Revenant (2009) And this was the "Whole" list that I put together - Identifying just 22 was really hard. Ginger Snaps (2000) Ju-on (2000) Ichi the Killer (2001) Jeepers Creepers (2001) Kairo (2001) The Others (2001) Session 9 (2001) 28 Days Later (2002) Cabin Fever (2002) Dark Water (2002) Dog Soldiers (2002) May (2002) My Little Eye (2002) House of 1000 Corpses (2003) Dawn of the Dead (2004) Dead Birds (2004) Ginger Snaps 2 (2004) Shaun of the Dead (2004) The Grudge (2004) Three... Extremes (2004) The Descent (2005) The Devil's Rejects (2005) Evil Aliens (2005) FEAST (2005) Altered (2006) Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon (2006) Black Sheep (2006) Cold Prey (2006) Fido (2006) Hatchet (2006) The Host (2006) Severance (2006) Slither (2006) Them/Ils (2006) 28 Weeks Later (2007) Crazy Eights (2007) Grindhouse (2007) Inside (2007) Paranormal Activity (2007) [REC] (2007) The Signal (2007) Trick 'r Treat (2009) The Burrowers (2008) The Children (2008) Home Movie (2008) Let the Right One In (2008) Martyrs (2008) Shutter (2008) Tokyo Gore Police (2008) House of the Devil (2009) My Bloody Valentine 3D (2009) The Revenant (2009) Triangle (2009) |
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Jeepers Creepers (2001) Three... Extremes (2004) FEAST (2005) Black Sheep (2006) 28 Weeks Later (2007) The Signal (2007) Trick 'r Treat (2009) The Revenant (2009) That's 8 our of your top 22! I guess now I have more on my watch list. :) |
You're supposed to send your list to V. :p
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LOL - Oops - Then why are people posting here??? :confused::cool:
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It's actually great to see everyone's lists here - I went through Wikipedia but it didn't have everything. I have a list of 90's horror movies - Is it too late? Do I post here or send to V? |
People were posting what didn't make their lists- not what did.
90s list has been finalised. You're a bit late to the party. ;) |
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LOL Am I the only one here who watches, has watched, a lot of giant monster movies, or has any appreciation for them?
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I love them, but I didn't vote for them because I just don't really think of them as Horror. They may get grouped in, but to me they were always more Sci-Fi/Action/Adventure. |
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Good to hear there's plenty of us that appreciate them! I certainly consider all of them in the Horror film category. A giant monster, usually backed by space aliens, trying to destroy cities and take over the Earth... that's a safe bet to call it a Horror movie, don't you think? Basically, if _V_ lists them, I consider voting for them, with very few exceptions. There are some fine art Horror films in the 'Giant Monster' subgenre. Gojira/Godzilla film gets a nod, but it's an absurdity that none of the others get serious consideration. For those with an appreciation for art of film audio, color, lighting, mixed media, and creativity, personally I think Gojira Tai Hedorâ (Godzilla Vs the Smog Monster) is a truly great art film. As a creator of a weekly radio show, I say, the jazz & orchestral musical score and sound in the film is fantastic. Sorry to see so many excellent works get ignored by our group. |
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Moments like this make me miss Doc Faustus so much. He had such a valid argument about why most of the giant monster films, specially the Japanese "versus" ones, weren't under the horror genre. I am sure neverending can describe this demarcation better than me but, after the last discussion/debate/argument, he might not put his thoughts to words again. ------------------------- Thanks to hammerfan for submitting her entry for the 2000s. Entries stay open through the Independence Day weekend. Let's take a call after the festivities/holidays are over. |
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Imagine someone saying, "Gojira is Horror; and all the rest are not". Or "Any film with 'Vs' in the title, even though I haven't seen it, is a bad film". It's like saying, "Green grapes are good; but all other green fruit, 90% of which I've never tasted, are bad". I think psychologist would officially diagnose this as arrested development or a psychosis. I'd estimate I've probably seen about 60-70% of the giant monster films. And although I wouldn't want to say any one of them doesn't meet that standard, I would say if an adult saw Godzilla Vs Megalon, it's so campy, and more or less for children, that I wouldn't doubt them if they said there was no genuine horror moment. But I wouldn't ask that film be added to the 1970s Horror list (mostly because it sucked). That is in contrast to Godzilla Vs the Smog Monster, which does have moments of genuine horror in it. If you haven't seen it, you can't know either way. It's simply a case by case determination. |
At the risk of me being an "arrested development" and a "psychosis" case, I leave this topic open for debate. Seems like no debate/discussion can be done without interjecting any personal remarks into it.
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I agree that a wide net is a good thing. My definition of horror is pretty broad, but also makes a distinction that, if applied strictly, would eliminate some of the movies in our Master Lists. It would also add some that are missing.
I also don't believe in categorizing a movie in a single genre (i.e.. "That's not horror, that's a thriller.") I believe that many of the best movies qualify as true entries in more than one genre. Alien, for instance is a sci-fi movie. It's also a horror movie. It could go on either shelf in the video store. I also consider horror to be a subset of thriller, so essentially all horror movies are also thrillers, but not all thrillers are horror. Here's my definition of a horror movie: A movie qualifies as horror if a) a significant focus is given to characters in a situation where a deadly or harmful force -- be it a metaphysical force, such as a ghost or demon, a physical enemy, such as one or more creatures or humans, or the characters' own psychological state -- is threatening to harm or scare them, AND b) that the intent of film is to scare, shock, disturb, disgust, or cause discomfort to the viewer. I haven't seen any of these old giant monster movies, but by my definition, if the movie is about the people under attack, and the movie is intended to make the viewer feel fear for those people, it qualifies as horror. Even though they probably also qualify as other genres, such as sci-fi, action, adventure and thriller. By my definition, a movie like Se7en, for instance, does not qualify as horror. That movie satisfies part b) (disturb or disgust the viewer), but not a). No scene in the movie puts the characters in a situation where they fear for their well being. There is one chase scene, but that's really an action scene, and the main characters are the ones doing the chasing. The murder scene set-pieces are certainly disturbing, but at no point are the cops entering the scene at risk. The characters don't know that they are victims of the antagonist until the final reveal, and neither does the viewer. As a side note -- off topic for this post -- I did rank Se7en in my 90s list for the "100 years of horror" because I consider the purpose of this project to not just rank horror movies, but point out the important points in the history of horror. Although I don't consider Se7en a horror movie, it made a significant contribution to the genre, being a huge influence with it's crisp, cold, stylized production, high level of gore, and aggressive industrial rock musical score. James Wan owes a lot to Fincher for the style of his Saw series. Its influence can be found all over the place, even in TV with the Hannibal series. I understand that others won't have the same definition of horror that I do, or may strongly disagree with mine. That doesn't bother me. Entertainment and art are personal things, and everyone should be entitled to interpret and define it as they please. The lines are always grey and ripe for debate. I prefer to adhere to whatever definition the community uses, but I'll stick with my definition for my personal use. |
I don't think a lot of the kaiju movies are meant to scare anyone- the protagonists are children and the action is cartoonish. They're children's movies. However, I think some can be considered horror movies, particularly Gojira and some of the other early productions. Also, the scale of violence can be considered- how much destruction is there? Destroy All Monsters would count, as would Godzilla Vs. the Smog Monster.
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I think a discussion can be done without interjecting personal attacks. Speaking of my prior post, along with not using anyone's name, nobody on this forum has said the absurd things I wrote (that would have indicated arrested development or psychosis). Nobody would say, "Gojira is horror, but all the rest of the giant monster, THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN, are not." and "All movies with the word "Vs" in it, even if I haven't seen them, are bad movies." Nobody would say these things because we all know it contradicts basic logic - logic being: you can't know what you can't know. Let me make it clear, I'm merely saying nobody can determine horror content and film quality on a film they haven't seen. Does any here profess to actually believe the statements I put in quotes? I know Neverending wrote, "When crap like Leprechaun and Anything Vs. Anything makes it on to a best of anything list, I just want to gouge my eyes out and slit my wrists." At the time there was only one 'Vs' movie with votes on our 'best of' list, which was 'Jason Vs Freddy'. It's colorful language, not a thesis statement -- I'm certainly not going to assume he meant anything except Jason Vs Freddy, and likely that most "Vs" movies suck, which I completely agree with, out of my own experience (I haven't seen J Vs F). I'd like to thank everyone of our members who have made it clear they respect others' opinions, and have been very courteous to each other. I think we have an excellent group here. |
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I think most of us have had that experience of, as an adult, going back to watch one of our childhood favorite kaiju movies... and seeing how bad, boring and childish it is. And that 'you can't go back', as it were. But every once in awhile you discover a 'new film', an adult appreciation on a film with true dedicated craft, depth and message. I think most of recent (1990-onward) kaiju films, like the Godzilla and Gamera reboot series, are trying to appeal to a wider (adult) audience. Some have been good and include horror elements, and some not. |
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We start compiling the 2000s this weekend. If anyone has a pending list, be sure to complete it and send it before the weekend rolls in.
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And finally, here we go with the 2000s.
Before I post the Master List, let me elaborate a few points:- 1 - This is probably the first Master List with a LOT of diversity. 2 - I think many people just couldn't make their absolute final choices and there were a lot of chops and cuts in their 22. 3 - This is the first Master List out of all the decades gone which doesn't have an absolute leader in votes. Even for the 90s, for which I received 13 lists, Candyman found a spot in 11 of them. 4 - There are plenty of surprises ahead. Brace yourselves, and get ready to dive in. Be mindful that we have to pick TWENTY-TWO films from this period, and not the usual TWENTY. Summation:- Number of lists received = 12. IN THE CUT Jeepers Creepers (2001) - 6 (-1) Let the Right One In (2008) - 6 Shaun of the Dead (2004) - 6 The Ring (2002) - 6 [REC] (2007) - 5 (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain, metternich1815, Kandarian Demon, Giganticface) Paranormal Activity (2007) - 5 (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain, metternich1815, natedog722, Giganticface) Saw (2004) - 5 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, realdealblues, natedog722, Giganticface) Pan's Labyrinth (2006)* (backed by neverending, seconded by Straker, The Villain, Giganticface, Sculpt) Signs (2002) - 5 (backed by The Villain, seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon, Giganticface) (-1) The Cabin In The Woods (2011) - 4 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon, tiberius) (-1) The Descent (2005) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, realdealblues, Giganticface) The Others (2001) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, natedog722, Sculpt) Cloverfield (2008) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain, Kandarian Demon, Sculpt) DEBATABLE 28 Days Later (2002) - 5 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by Giganticface, tiberius) Dog Soldiers (2002) - 5 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues, Giganticface) A Tale of Two Sisters (2003) - 4 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon) American Psycho (2000) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, realdealblues) Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon (2006) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by metternich1815, natedog722) Prometheus (2012) - 4 (backed by natedog722, seconded by tiberius) The Devil's Backbone (2001) - 4 (backed by neverending) The Mist (2007) - 4 (backed by metternich1815,seconded by natedog722, Kandarian Demon) MINORITY Battle Royale (2000) - 3 (backed by The Villain) Dawn of the Dead (2004) - 3 (backed by Kandarian Demon) (-1) Dead Silence (2007) - 3 (backed by natedog722, seconded by Kandarian Demon) Diary of the Dead (2007) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by tiberius) Final Destination (2000) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722) Ginger Snaps (2000) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by metternich1815) Hatchet (2006) - 3 (backed by Kandarian Demon) May (2002) - 3 (backed by neverending, seconded by metternich1815, Giganticface) Session 9 (2001) - 3 (backed by Giganticface) Shutter (2004) - 3 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722, The Villain) The Host (2006) - 3 (backed by The Villain) The Strangers (2008) - 3 (backed by natedog722) 30 Days of Night (2007) - 2 (backed by natedog722) Bubba Ho-Tep (2002) - 2 (backed by Straker, seconded by realdeablues, Kandarian Demon) (-1) Constantine (2005) - 2 (backed by Sculpt) Dagon (2001) - 2 (backed by Kandarian Demon) Daybreakers (2009) - 2 (backed by Sculpt) Feast (2005) - 2 (backed by realdealblues) Fido (2006) - 2 (backed by realdealblues) Frailty (2001) - 2 (backed by metternich1815, seconded by natedog722, tiberius) Grindhouse (2007) - 2 (backed by metternich1815) Hostel (2005) - 2 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues) House of the Devil (2009) - 2 Inside (aka À l'intérieur) (2007) - 2 (backed by Giganticface) Ju-on (2002) - 2 (backed by Kandarian Demon) Martyrs (2008) - 2 (backed by Giganticface) Oldboy (2003) - 2 (backed by neverending, seconded by Giganticface) Pulse aka (Kairo) (2001) - 2 (backed by neverending, seconded by Straker) Splinter (2008) - 2 (backed by natedog722) The Devil Inside (2012) - 2 (backed by metternich1815) The Exorcism of Emily Rose (2005) - 2 (backed by natedog722, seconded by Kandarian Demon) The Hills Have Eyes (2006) - 2 (backed by realdealblues) The Signal (2007) - 2 (backed by realdealblues) The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003) - 2 (backed by natedog722) Thir13en Ghosts (2001) - 2 (backed by realdealblues, seconded by Kandarian Demon, tiberius) (-2) SINGLE VOTES TO An American Haunting (2005) 1408 (2007) 28 Weeks Later (2007) Antichrist (2009) Apollo 18 (2011) AVP: Alien Vs. Predator (2004)* AVPR - Aliens versus Predator: Requiem (2007) Beneath Still Waters (2005) Black Sheep (2006) Black Swan (2010) (backed by Giganticface) Blade II (2002) Boogeymen: The Killer Compilation (2001) Borderland (2007) Brotherhood of the Wolf (2001) Cabin Fever (2002) Cirque du Freak: The Vampire's Assistant (2009) Darkness Falls (2003) Dead Birds (2004) Dead Snow (2009) Devil (2010) Disturbia (2007) (backed by Sculpt) Drag Me To Hell (2009) FeardotCom (2002) Final Destination 2 (2003) Freddy vs. Jason (2003) Fright Night (2011) (backed by realdealblues) Frontier(s) (2007) (backed by neverending) Ghost Ship (2002) Godzilla: Final Wars (2004) (backed by Sculpt) Grave Encounters (2011) Greedy Guts aka Otesanek (2000) (backed by Straker) Hard Candy (2005) (backed by neverending, seconded by The Villain) Home Movie (2008) (backed by neverending) Hostel: Part II (2007) House of 1000 Corpses (2003) I am Legend (2007) Identity (2003) Ils (aka) Them (2006) (backed by neverending) John Dies at the End (2012) (backed by Sculpt) Julia's Eyes (2010) (backed by The Villain) Ju-on: The Grudge 2 (2003) Land of the Dead (2005) (backed by realdealblues) Legion (2010) Let Me In (2010) Lovely Molly (2011) Man-Thing (2005) Mirrors (2008) Mother of Tears (2007) Mum & Dad (2008) (backed by neverending) My Bloody Valentine (2009) My Name Is Bruce (2007) Chakushin Ari (aka) (One Missed Call) (2003) Paranormal Activity 3 (2011) Rare Exports: A Christmas Tale (2010) (backed by The Villain) Red Dragon (2002) Red Riding Hood (2011) Resident Evil (2002) Sauna (2008) Shadow of the Vampire (2000) (backed by Straker) (-1) Silk (2006) Sinister (2012) Switchblade Romance (aka High Tension aka Haute Tension) (2005) The Amityville Horror (2005) The Butterfly Effect (2004) (backed by Sculpt) The Cell (2000) (backed by Sculpt) The Daisy Chain (2008) The Fog (2005) The Forgotten (2004) The Haunted Mansion (2003) The Haunting in Connecticut (2009) The Messengers (2007) The Mothman Prophecies (2002) The Orphanage (2007) (backed by The Villain) The Poughkeepsie Tapes (2007) (backed by The Villain) The Revenant (2009) The Ruins (2008) The Skeleton Key (2005) The X Files: I Want to Believe (2008) Thirst aka (Bakjwi) (2009) (backed by Straker) Three... Extremes (2004) Trick 'r Treat (2009) Trollhunter(2010) (backed by The Villain) Tucker and Dale Vs Evil (2010) Underworld (2003) Vacancy (2007) (backed by Sculpt) Venom (2005) Versus (2000) Zombieland (2009) (backed by realdealblues) (* = not in the original 00s Master List) Only FOUR films have made it in, by a vote percentage of at/over 50%. We need to select EIGHTEEN more, most preferably from the DEBATABLE section. (Yes I know and I realise it - to see a Master List of the 2000s being topped by Jeepers Creepers is really mind-boggling!) If everyone is in agreement, we can toss in ALL films which have scored 5 votes and 4 votes (FIFTEEN in total), and pick THREE films from the 3-votes/Minority Section, and thus we get our chosen top 22. Or, we can debate over the other films, pick up those which are lower in the vote list with some solid backing, and hammer out the final 22 in that way. 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My god, once again, some of the films only getting one vote- Ils, Frontier(s), Hard Candy, Home Movie (well, I suppose not many have seen it), Mum & Dad, One Missed Call...
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[REC] Paranormal Activity The Devil's Backbone Cloverfield Ginger Snaps May Oldboy Pulse (Kairo) Ils, Frontier(s), Hard Candy, Home Movie Mum & Dad, Pan's Labyrinth |
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Where to start.... Don't really have time to get stuck into this right now, but damn I have a lot to back here. I guess I'll start with a straight up list and then go into detail when I have more time. I'll ignore the stuff with 3+ votes for now since some of those should be certainties anyway.
Bubba Ho-Tep: Only 2 vote for these flicks is criminal! Pulse (Kairo): Great premise, lots of atmosphere, much better than lots of the flicks with more votes. Thirst (Bakjwi): One vote, really? :( If you haven't watched it, go watch it! Pan's Labyrinth: I get why this didn't get more votes, but its theres still enough horror in this one for me, so I voted for it anyway. :p Shadow of the Vampire: How was I the only person to vote for this genre bending classic? The premise alone makes this a top 20 flick, doesn't it? Awesome flick, needs to be better appreciated, Malkovich and Dafoe are amazing, just an all round quality movie. Greedy Guts aka Otesanek: Well this is another one that I imagine most haven't seen. It's basically an eastern European fairy tale. Way off beat dark comedy from the legendary director Jan Svankmajer. This is visual cinema at its best. Svankmajer is an absolute legend, specifically of surreal/ stop motion cinema and this is probably the most accessible work..... Not expecting it to get any backings, but one thing I would say is that there is tons of quality eastern European cinema/ directors that specialise in surreal cinema or stop motion work that is so closely linked to the horror genre that I would advise a lot of you guys to check out. Guys like Svankmajer, Juraj Herz, Brothers Quay. I think there are a few others I wanted to back or talk about but I am rambling and really have no idea what I have backed or haven't anymore! |
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