I'll back End of Days, Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday, Cube, and Leprechaun.

Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way... I thought we were supposed to vote for what we think are the BEST films from that era... this is what frustrates me about every single one of these HDC lists. When crap like Leprechaun and Anything Vs. Anything makes it on to a best of anything list, I just want to gouge my eyes out and slit my wrists.

Well, we are clearly on opposite sides on Deep Blue Sea because I actually love that film. In my opinion, its weakest thing is the CGI, but overall I think it is a great film. Okay, i'll admit it's not a classic like Jaws, but still really good. Even though I did not back Anaconda, I really like that movie too. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with disagreeing, I am just surprised that you are so strongly against those films.

Here is my top 20 for the 1980s:
1. John Carpenter's The Thing
2. The Shining
3. A Nightmare on Elm Street
4. Aliens
5. The Evil Dead
6. Clive Barker's Hellraiser
7. Predator
8. Friday the 13th
9. Pet Sematary
10. The Fly
11. Silent Night, Deadly Night
12. John Carpenter's The Fog
13. Sleepaway Camp
14. Poltergeist
15. Gremlins
16. Child's Play
17. The Howling
18. Christine
19. Prince of Darkness
20. Re-Animator

Although, if I could make a change I would switch 4 and 7, just because now that I think of it I actually like Predator a pretty good amount more. Aliens is great, I just like Predator a bit more.

Ah, I misunderstood. I thought we only needed three from the beginning. In that case, I also back:

Audition
Ringu
Natural Born Killers

And - sorry for the confusion - I wasn't backing Fear. Just taking neverending's recommendation to go see it.

I would definitely put Anaconda amongst the worst movies of the 90s in terms of budget vs final product, its tragic in so many ways... Each to their own, and I'm not having a go at anyone for their tastes, but they are pretty damn awful movies.

This made me chuckle out loud. Couldn't have said it better myself.

No offense, metternich. You are a super cool guy and a lot of fun, but those two movies suck huge donkey balls. If either of them made any top 20 list for an entire decade, that list would have no credibility. Just sayin'.

Seriously though. There's a difference between personally enjoying a movie, and thinking it should represent one the best movies of a decade. I have my own guilty pleasures -- movies that aren't great, but like them, and re-watch them, nonetheless. But that doesn't mean I think they should make the list. I also like a lot of alternative & genre-bending movies, which I might actually rank high because they're great movies (Possession, Clean,Shaven, Men Behind the Sun), but notice I'm not backing them because if no one else is voting for them, they shouldn't make the list.

C'mon people. Let's make it good.

Which two movies are you referring to? Anaconda and Deep Blue Sea? I respect your opinion, but I thought they were pretty well-made. I included Leprechaun on my list initially, but would knock it off, if I made another. I don't believe I included Anaconda on my list. I actually thought Deep Blue Sea was a really great film. I suppose different people have different ideas on what constitutes "great". I am truly shocked at the hate those two movies are getting. I have always considered them really good. No offense has been intended.

That is very true.

In my opinion, it would make no sense to include or NOT include movies based on other people's opinions. We are asked for our personal choices, and not to make a list of movies that we think are the most popular.

Who gets to decide what is crap and what isn't? Yes, there are movies so far on this list that I personally don't understand, and some that I think are missing - but just because the list doesn't reflect my personal taste, it doesn't mean it's worthless.

Standards! There have to be standards!

I definitely agree that Leprechaun and versus films do not need to be on this list. But, I am sure we would disagree with Wishmaster and Deep Blue Sea.

What's with all the Leprechaun hate? Its not that bad

Honestly I don't see what everyone is complaining about. So what if people picked movies that don't deserve to be on these lists, is that going to change your views on horror or affect your opinions on those movies or others? Everyone has different personal preferences and just because they differ from yours doesn't make them wrong. Its just a list for fun. No need to get upset.

I agree that it is pretty funny and I like to watch it from time to time. I just don't know if I would call it one of the best of the 1990s (top 20). I do agree with your second statement as well.

Yep, those two movies.

I'm glad you didn't take my comments too hard. I didn't mean any offense either. All good.


Oh wait, you're taking about the "I'm the Leprechaun" Mike Meyers sketch on SNL. You're right, that was hilarious! :D. Just messin. Honestly though, I saw the movie once when it first came out and didn't like it. Maybe I should give it another chance... maybe for cult status? Is it good like in the Troll 2 kind of way or the Basket Case kind of way? Or is it actually good? Now you've got me intrigued.

On the "personal preferences" note, I get that. In general, I totally agree. This forum should be a place where people feel comfortable expressing their opinions, and shouldn't be criticized for it. But as far as this particular thread goes -- I don't know this for certain, but I assume it's an attempt to put together the overall best movies in the history of horror. I would think it's got to go a little bit beyond the random personal faves of the 11 people contributing to the list. I doubt V would be super excited if, after working for many many months on this project, he ended up with a bunch of stuff that the wider public generally considers crummy.

Hopefully I'm not coming across as upset. I'm not. It's all just for fun, for sure. I feel a little bad for joshing metternich.

I think it represents where horror was in the 90's which is why i chose it and backed it. Is it the best, probably not, but its not terrible and to me stands out among the 90's horror movies

I understand what your saying and respect your opinion. For the record, it was on the list I sent in. Although I understand some of the disliking this movie, I think it has received a little too much hate.

Again I ask- aren't we supposed to be choosing the best films of the decade?

If you have a preponderance of crap, what use is making a list representing the crap? Let's comemorate the films that rise above the rest, that are worth rememboring.

I dislike mediocrity, but since a lot of people were raised on it, they mistake it for quality.

Hopefully you're reading this after I edited it. I reread what I originally wrote and feel I went overboard. Obviously everyone has a right to their opinion and if you feel like people are picking crap films you have a right to that and honestly some pretty bad films are getting included from me as well as others. After reading what Gigantic face wrote I understand more of what you're saying. Unfortunately most people puck films they personally like over what may be best because most people consider what they like best as actually being the best. Its why so many crappy movies get popularized. Hopefully people will vote better from here out so we can get a good list.

I'm asking this question because you and some others describe your choices as "representative of where horror was in that era." Objectively, that means nothing. Where is the bar? It's like grading on the curve. If 80% of the class scores a 25 out of 100, and you get a 30, you get an A. It doesn't mean you did well, you were just a little less crappy.

That, I do agree with, wholeheartedly. There's a lot of same old same old out there. My top 20s all have choices that probably won't be getting a groundswell of votes. (Although - heh, no offense - they tend to be a bit more critically acclaimed than Leprechaun.)

I actually rethought that exact thing. Just because a movie represents the decade doesn't make it a good movie. I realize that now and edited my post above to reflect.

Yeah that I still agree with too despite me changing my post but that stems more from me being tired if seeing lists made by non horror fans that always have the same 10 movies on it that are on it because they are well know n. But that's why it is actually important that we think hard about our decisions so that this list will be done well.

Just curious, which other films did you think were "crappy"?

From this decade or the others? Id have to go back through

Either. I probably won't agree on all of them, but I am just curious.

To be honest I was never a big fan of Sleepy Hollow. I thought it was a little overrated. I actually did like Deep Blue Sea, Anaconda, and Leprechaun.

I'm just gonna talk about the 90's because the other decades had good choices in them.

Honsetly i can't believe The Blair Witch Project made it to the top 20. I think it's a horrible movie. It's boring, badly made (obviously putting aside the found footage camera work and editing) and not scary at all and i still have no idea why so many people like it.

I also don't like Bram Stokers Dracula. I think it's ridiculously campy and over the top.

Anaconda is a terrible movie and i'm glad it didnt get more votes.

Jason Goes To Hell and Freddy's Dead shouldnt have even gotten one vote in my opinion and Bride of Chucky is an insult to the other Child's Play movies and thats saying something with how (despite how much i love them) silly they are

I completely agree with Freddy's Dead and Jason Goes to Hell. I couldn't disagree more with The Blair Witch Project. It is easily one of the most brilliant and unique films of the 1990s. Many of the films that came after it were of various quality, but that film is amazing. To this day, I regard it as one of the scariest movies I have ever seen. We have already discussed Anaconda. I also disagree with Dracula for the reasons I cited in my justification. Suffice it to say, I consider it one of the best Dracula adaptations ever made. As I stated, I found Bride of Chucky to be the best in the entire Child's Play series for the reason(s) I cited. To an extent, I understand the arguments against Anaconda and Deep Blue Sea, but would not understand the arguments against some of those other films. Just a note, by posting films that you thought were bad (even at my request), I assumed I could make comments on my thoughts on them. I did not intend to knock your opinion, I am merely providing mine.

Blair Witch is definitely a love it or hate it deal. Even if you don't like it, you have to admit it launched a subgenre - an extremely popular one. For that reason, it belongs in the list as an essential representation of what happened in 90s horror.

Going with what Giganticface said, even if you do not like The Blair Witch Project, you have to admit it deserves to be on any top 20 horror list for the 1990s. The film was one of the most successful independent films of all time. It made $248 million on a self-declared budget of $35,000, not including promotion. Additionally, it launched the reality TV phase and this is according to the creator of Survivor (which launched the reality TV show phase). As well as the hugely popular "Found Footage" sub-genre. Furthermore, it had a brilliant marketing campaign and was one of the first films to launch a website. If it had not been on this list I would have been completely shocked.

I loved that website. I got all into it and convinced myself it was real before seeing it in the theater. Made for a pretty scary experience.

I also loved the Donnie Darko website.

We have moved into 18 finalised films.

Like it or hate it, but with enough people backing it, Leprechaun is now an officially selected film for the 90s decade. (I say this with a bitter taste in my mouth but I have no choice nor say in this matter)

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=468

Still need to finalise TWO more.

I get what you're saying but how a movie was made and what it did for the genre afterwards doesnt matter to me at least to how good of a film it is. In my opinion Blair Witch only did as well as it did because of an excellent marketing plan. But that's just my opinion

By all means man, comment away. We differ on opinion but that doesn't matter

I'll back Deep Blue Sea, Anaconda, New Nightmare, and Event Horizon.

I will say I am completely shocked that Leprechaun made the list, but Natural Born Killers did not. Some might consider it thriller, which would be true, but I consider it horror and a really good movie at that.

Somebody else, please back Audition. It would be a shame for it to slip, given that it already had received 6 votes. I think the only reason it wasn't a shoe-in is because Leprechaun also received 6, stirring debate. We now have a film on the list that originally received only 1 vote, and two that originally received 2 votes. Something feels odd about that, and I'm wondering what was the point of the initial vote? Odd process -- spend weeks collecting votes, only to override it with a two-day debate by a subset of the voters? Oh well, most of the films that were breathed new life are pretty good. The original top 17 was better though. The voters got it right the first time.

While we're at it, somebody please join neverending and myself and back Ringu. Think back to the first time you saw it, and forget the fact that J-horror got played out. It launched the wave of J-horror. Does no one care about the actual history of horror?

The "found footage" genre, as it were, actually started much earlier with films like (the dreadful) Cannibal Holocaust. Other than that, I agree with the points you were responding to.

It made "found footage" popular, that was our point (no offense).

Actually several years earlier was Snuff, but it's really Blair Witch Project which opened the floodgates, so the point remains valid.