you're absolutly correct. ( well the bible is lol ) one of the reasons satan is the ultimate evil because of his beauty and splendor.

So, if you were God, you would take away free will by putting something in our brains to control our actions?

No offense, but to me that doesn't sound like you'd be doing a better job.

Okay, I read Bwind's post. I still say the same thing. God doesn't have to control you to take away your free will. He simply needs to know what you are going to do. Bwind typed the letter "Z". What if god told him beforehand that he was going to type the letter "Z". He wouldn't be able to stop it. He would HAVE to type the letter "Z"! But, God didn't control him. He just told him what he was going to do. Because god knows what he will do, he has no choice but to do what is in god's mind. No choice = no free will. He THOUGHT he had free will to type the letter "Z". But that was just an illusion. He was destined to type the letter "Z" since the day he was born. He could not have changed that.

What difference would it make? Nobody has free will anyway! (At least, not with an omniscient god). And it seems to me that taking away the free will of a sadistic killer to spare the life of a child IS better. Or, do you disagree?

No, no you couldn't. No one could. God IS perfection. God knows everything. From the smallest little secret to the biggest darkest secret. He knows the past, future, and present. Although some may think God made a mistake with the planet or something, it was NOT him. It was Satan. The wicked beast. He got some of the foolish ones and turned them bad. They got overwelmed with greed and selfishness. And God can't just stop it himself, it everything was gave to you you too will become selfish. He does stop it but not by himself. It is his believers that will help stop it. And you may not believe it but God did stop it. You may think that it was only those believers who stopped it but God is the one who got in those believes hearts and mad ethem stop it. But now days greed is overwelming everyone. The Bible even says that one day the world will end. And you shouldn't be scared of death, unless you know that you have commited horrible sins and will be sent to hell. Those who haven't commited sin and have a pure heart will be sent to heaven. They shouldn't dear death. In heaven you are never sad. Always ahppy. Never bored and never feel pain.

but thats the whole point god didn't tell him to type z,
example. if you was sitting by the comp with a friend, and you told him you was going to type the letter z. And you did. Did your friend make you type that letter? he had full knowledge that you was going to. he knew all along that you was gonna type the letter z, but he still didn't make you type the letter z. you did.

By the way, I hope nobody is taking offense here. I really like to debate this topic, and I learn a lot each time I do. If I come across as aggressive, or asshole-ish, please forgive me. That's just the debate style I use.

wtf are yans talking about

The thing is that God didn't tell me to. I didn't talk to him tonight. I picked what letter to type. Just because he knew what letter I would pick doesn't mean he influenced my decision in any way, he simply knew what I would choose with my free will.

God does know who will end up in heaven and who will end up in hell, because like I said, to him there is no time. The day when you die and go to heaven or hell will seem like/actually be this exact second to God because, once again, we come back to the omnipotent being having no sense of time. He sees all of time at once, from beginning to end. That is how he knows what we will decide and where we will end up.

The choice is ours, he just knows what we'll pick.

oh now i understand