"I can't go to school
cuz I ain't got a gun
I ain't got a gun
cuz I ain't got a job
I ain't got a job
cuz I can't go to school
So I'm looking for a girl with a gun and a job ( and house... with cable )
Don't you know where you are

Lost in America"






Cho's gun didn't jam but I'm saying that since I personally know they have those issues I would have rushed him. If you read about me dying in a gun shooting then I will be the "overzealous victim who should've thought before he rushed at the gunman". Now if seven or eight people rushed him...
Ah well, as far as the drugs thing goes I think it's an unfair comparrison but marijuana is illegal here and that doesn't stop anybody who wants some from getting it.

But more people would be able to casually try it - and become hooked - if it was available for sale in shops.

I agree with pr3ssure on most of his points.

I don't agree with this.
Speaking as a person from a country where stricter firearms laws are in effect, I can tell you that I've seen more bullshit happen on account of easily "legally" accessble weapons in the states just last week than I've seen here all year...many a time have I looked and thought it's the ongoing backwards referrals to backwards times, and many attitudes about the potential of change only scream fear and paranioa...It's hard, I guess to make the first step an admission that maybe things aren't going so shit-hot with your current laws (or ways of life, it seems, for some) and all that, but hey - take it from the "outside"...it's largely worked here. I'm unaware of exact figures of crime, assault and death by firearms here throughout my lifetime to compare with that of the states, but from what I've seen, there's no way it could be remotely close.
The whole "rights" issue is null, in my opinion. If you've got the "right", so do they.
Think about it this way...I know it's a seperate matter, but it comes to mind...If chemical drugs and weed (not that I've got any problems with WEED at least...some laws are stupid, unequal, unfair, and do little but take up the valuable time of law enforcement, but hey, another issue) were as legal as, say alcohol, they'd be more easily accessible too, wouldn't they? More prone to getting used? almost certainly...
There's a reason alcohol effects more peoples health and lives than pretty much any OTHER drug, right?
Why do you suppose that is?
Availability.
Humans...they're impulsive, and at times irrational.
I mean, how many times have you seen an argument, or even, hell ,been in one yourself when you've thought if there was a gun involved someone might just get shot?
We are capable of going zero to "what the fuck" in mere seconds.
Well hey...you states folks might in fact SEE it first hand a whole lot more than I ever would...I just think as a species (thats right not just focussing on you guys in the US) the majority of us are too volatile to have these weapons readily and legally available to us...
As for non-lethal weapons, I'm all good there. Pepper sprays, tazers, whatever...at least you'd know if one nutjob decided to go take out his issues with a bunch of innocent people, nobody would have to DIE...I'm sure even if the criminal element had the choice of a either obtaining LEGAL tazer, or an illegal firearm, they'd go with the easier option. whats the worst that could happen? A few people get zapped before a few others manage to apprehend or disable the attacker? See, I dunno about you guys, but personally, I'd rather hear about something like that happening, than ONE GUY taking the life of OVER 30 PEOPLE.
Too bad he had the RIGHT too, hmm....
That's all I think I'll jump in and say here.

He had a right to own a gun (if he was over 18, and the gun was legally registered in his name)...He did NOT have a right to kill people...

I have a right to go to the pharmacy and purchase Tylenol, take it home, keep it in my medicine cabinet and use it when I need it...BUT, I do NOT have a right to give my baby a bottle of Tylenol and kill him with it...

Just about anything can be a weapon if you intend to kill someone with it



That being said...My personal opinion on guns is "Guns are portable, metal testicles"

Thing is...as a (seemingly) rational person in general, YOU might see the distinction between the two, but do they?
Everyone's got a right to buy one, yes?
Seems that in some peoples perspective, their rights go a little bit further.

But yeah, ok I'm an idiot...I must be wrong because you think you must be right, hm? Nice logic.

When we had our last changes in the law regardng firearms, MANY, of the number of firearms handed in for destruction were not legally obtained or under the liscence of the intended owner.
Guess it takes them out of the hands of both?

...and generally far more expensive. I don't know how your whole criminal element works, but in my experience here, the SHIT you'd have to go through to get one, and THEN the price...wouldn'yt be worth MY effort that's for sure. Not even if I was "a little bit angry"...
Yes, you would have to odd extreme case here and there...but I think the problem in general would be far less, I mean, one would assume you DO see what's been happening as a problem, yes?


It's paranoid thinking like this that'll keep your kids getting shot.;)
Sure, if people want it that bad, they can and probably will get it...but should they be giving away free samples of the latest manufactured drug with every beer, you saying that you honestly don't see the drug problem becoming worse?

I'd say that people just fall into alcoholism far easier, and it's a more widespread problem than most other drug use, but...however you want to put it...it wouldn't be so dangerous if every asshole above a certain age COULD legally get their hands on it, would it?
This is why there's responsible service of alcohol laws in place....I assume you folks have them too? Say I agree with you...
Guns. Far more dangerous than many a non projectile weapon...
Yeah, unfortunately I'd say there's not quite so many "tell" signs (I mean, hey...obviously...) on a customer looking to buy a gun it seems...removal of the ability to buy a gun, would be the only way to effectively lessen the problem.

Horse-shit. Speed and other amphetamines, just to begin with the REALLY obvious one...make people FAR more prone to violent outbursts. Also might want to have a look next time you get between a "dry" heroin addict and their next score. Another good point from someone calling ME the idiot.

Next time, try talking about something before chucking a little GIRL hissyfit and saying "waaaah, you're wrong! idiot!" Just because you believe your point of view to be valid doesn't mean that all and any other, aren't.
You cannot argue with the facts.
Mere comparison speaks volumes...
Live your life controlled by fear, that'll just fuck up your day.

I think you should definately take your own advice.
What's YOUR big groundbreaking solution then? Don't see you coming up with a whole lot...too bad people like you...who seem to be a majority...are just too damn sure of themselves to even give anything (that's a proven successful solution) else a try...guess in this case we'll never know.

But...whatever...I don't try and convince the lost.
Wasn't my initial intention...'nor was it to start or participate in an argument with a snappy little cunt that thinks they know everything.
So...have a good 'un, and listen, I hope that none of your family gets shot up by the local kid you last condescended to, forcing you to reassess your point of view.
;)

This thread sucks...and so do all of you. :D

nice job maniac post a thread thats going to start fights, people every one has there own oppinion and unless you have a phd in drugabuse, abuse phycology, or personal exsperiance you have no right telling people there idiots, my mom new people who would mug some one for another hit of hairoin (i know spelled wrong sorry) or coke, lsd, e, but then she new people who could kick the habbit with no problem and no vilont out burst, and alchole my dad was an alcholic and abusive do to it, but my mom was one to and the nicest person drunk, the way drugs effect people is always diffrent in my oppinion any hard drugs other then pot and alchole are idiotic to do because of what it dose to you physcaly and emotionaly and drinking people need to be more responsible and admit when there having a problem, im not bashing any ones oppinions im just stating every ones chemical make up in there brain is diffrent, drugs will always exist and so will weapons, i think mabe every one needs to be less critical of others oppions to the point were your calling some one an idot and meaning it, were supposto be friends and talk like adults when it comes to serious issues, truthfully i could dissagree with alote of you when you say i smoke pot and say to you fuck this i hate pot it ruins people and stop talking to you but i dont because your good people and i think you react to it diffrently and probily dont have a problem. cant we all just get along and be friends sorry for miss spelling lack of commas and etc, its not a big thing to me

Discussion? Debate? Argument? I thought this was a t-h-r-e-a-d...not a t-h-r-e-a-t...

Pointing...then replying and pointing...then replying and pointing...then replying and pointing...honestly, all the jib-jab in this thread wont bring back the people who were lost...neither will it heal the families who stand broken...

Wanna put your energies to where it counts? Go to the nearest church, light a candle at the altar for all those who are gone, and then walk into the world you live in, and make someone happy. Who knows where you and the other person would end up the very next moment?

Or if even THAT is too difficult, make someone smile.

In a world such as this, it would be the least you could do. For a fellow human.


My two cents in.

verry true

I always make people smile, It makes me feel all warm and good inside.